March Madness: Good and bad performances. Draft stock effect

[fairweatherfan]

- Michael Carter Williams def looks like the 2nd coming of Penny Hardaway. Penetration and hangtime finish around the basket is top notch. Excellent passer and due to his size at 6'6 i can see him play either the sg/pg. Smart , defensively capable, plays with passion and high iq. Only thing stopping him is his lack of consistent shot. Was projected to go 15-20. But maybe closer to 7-12. Just too talented even without a shot

I've watched almost every Syracuse game this year, and MCW is still an enigma.  Penny is a major stretch, but he could eventually be an excellent player or fall apart in the more rigorous NBA game.  Either way I think he'll be a disaster next year until he figures out how to play consistently.  Too many boneheaded plays, and his athleticism gets just enough of them to work for him to keep trying.  The success rate of those poor decisions will go way down in the pros.

He is a freshman.  So far these two games plus the last regular season game, he is looking like a lotto pick. The last game of the year he was def making mistakes in the 1st half. You shake your head and feel he should not even go in the lotto. Than in the 2nd half he shakes it off and plays with focus and syracuse wins.  I'd overlook his here and there silly mistakes bc he plays with passion. I think he will iron things out. Someone said if he also had a shot, he could of gone top 5 pick. The size is just too good for a pg

He's a sophomore, he didn't play much his freshman year because of too many mental mistakes.  And he'll be 22 by the start of his rookie year.

He's brimming with potential for sure, and he always plays hard, but he needs to learn to correct his bad habits.  I think he'll do it but the adjustment will be rough. 

For now I just care if he gets Cuse past Indiana (or Temple, I guess).

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If we draft 19 and its between withey or olynyk who would you choose?? Yes Olynyk can dribble better and has better scoring moves/touch, but Withey would own him on defense. Plus is underrated on offense actually, with a nice hook shot , dunks through alley hoops, jump shots and due to his lengths garbage tip ins.

I'd take Olynyk.

I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.

[CelticsFan9]

MCW is not a great player, in my opinion.  He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros.  I don't like him.

Olynyk is soft.  He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers.  Plus, his defense is subpar.  I don't like him either.

Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford.  He's not someone I want on this team.

[Tr1boy]

MCW is not a great player, in my opinion.  He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros.  I don't like him.

Olynyk is soft.  He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers.  Plus, his defense is subpar.  I don't like him either.

Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford.  He's not someone I want on this team.

can you name a few players you like and think we have a chance of drafting?

[Tr1boy]

2 big games i'll keep my eye out today is

Kansas vs UNC

and

Creighton vs Duke.

Interested in how Jeff Withey and Mcdermott plays. But also outside interested to see how Mcadoo and Plumlee plays. All of these guys could be in our radar when we pick

[CelticsFan9]

MCW is not a great player, in my opinion.  He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros.  I don't like him.

Olynyk is soft.  He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers.  Plus, his defense is subpar.  I don't like him either.

Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford.  He's not someone I want on this team.

can you name a few players you like and think we have a chance of drafting?

In order of preference:

1. Tim Hardaway Jr. - him, Rondo, and Bradley could be special
2. Jeff Withey - fills a need
3. Doug McDermott - solid game, can contribute right away
4. Gorgui Dieng - better version of Fab
5. Isaiah Austin - oozing with potential, unlikely we get him, though

[Celtics4ever]

I'd take Olynyk.

I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.

You can't teach footspeed or jumping.  He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein.  Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.   

You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.

[CelticsFan9]

Danny: buy a second round pick and take Aaron Craft.  Seriously.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'd take Olynyk.

I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.

You can't teach footspeed or jumping.  He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein.  Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.   

You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.

Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?

He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. He's a very good passer. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer. If he had the athleticism he'll be a number 1 pick. You can't have everything in one guy, especially in the mid teens in the draft, that's one in thousand (maybe). For where we are picking, if he drops, he should be a no brainer.

[Tr1boy]

Just saw Creighton vs Cincinati game that just passed.

- Mcdermott is hounded like crazy every possession. Still got 25 points but he had trouble getting free just to get passes. Also was blocked a few times inside.  Like many draft expert stated , he will prob be like a kyle korver in the nba. A 3 point specialist, though i feel he has enough skills to throw his man off balance with an inside post/cutting game. I wonder how he would perform with a legit first pass pg? or not being the #1 option in the nba.

- Dieng the past two games, has been playing in the shawdows of russ smith and siva.  I think he is perfect in fg percentage too, though only scoring like less than 10 points each game. Has only like 3 rebounds each game also. He moves like a freight train, in that once he is in motion he is pretty quick for his height. But anything in between, he is pretty avg, especially side to side movements.  I just smell too much Melo part 2 with Dieng.

- Withey . I've liked this guy ever since he put a number on sully last year. He doesn't need to score a bucket to be effective. His shot blocking capabilites alone would be a big help for us. But unlike Melo who is also a good shot blocker, withey just moves so much better around the court, doesn't make too many mistakes and has better hands. Even if he has an o/s tourney i don't think he will get picked below 20. But i do think he will be ideal pickup for the celts. Think of Jeff Foster but not as good rebounder but a better shot blocker and shooter.

[Tr1boy]

Danny: buy a second round pick and take Aaron Craft.  Seriously.

we won't be able to regardless if we can buy a 2nd

#1, craft is going to stay until his senior year. And beyond

#2 this "beyond" means he will study to become a doctor. I read somewhere that he is not going to play in the nba and pursue his dream to become a doctor.

Kid is a battler and i would of liked him on the team too

[Tr1boy]

I'd take Olynyk.

I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.

You can't teach footspeed or jumping.  He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein.  Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.   

You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.

Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?

He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer.

Lopez and olynyk are different. Lopez makes up lack of quickness with Strength. Even from college he was a strong guy. So in one on one situations, he will not be taken advantage of, unless a center is a sharpshooter from the perimeter (and how many guys are like that?)

Olynyk could also strengthen up. But its not easy to weightlift into being a strongman in 1 or 3 years. He may never be able to either.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'd take Olynyk.

I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.

You can't teach footspeed or jumping.  He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein.  Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.   

You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.

Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?

He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer.

Lopez and olynyk are different. Lopez makes up lack of quickness with Strength. Even from college he was a strong guy. So in one on one situations, he will not be taken advantage of, unless a center is a sharpshooter from the perimeter (and how many guys are like that?)

Olynyk could also strengthen up. But its not easy to weightlift into being a strongman in 1 or 3 years. He may never be able to either.

That strength did not show up when they got eliminated by Texas in his last year at Stanford though. Brook is not known for his strength (im not saying he's weak, just that it's not his bread and butter), it's his polished low post skills. Olynyk is the same, only older. Olynyk will be able to adjust to the physicality of the NBA just like Brook did.

Olynyk's offense gives us a threat down low, like Brook had coming in. Speaking of perimeter, he's a solid mid range shooter as well.

[indeedproceed]

Olnyk is a lot more Spencer Hawes than Brook Lopez.

[Who]

Olynyk sounds interesting.

With his mix of size, high level mobility and quality jump-shooting ... it's hard not seeing him being able to put up 15-17 points per 36 minutes in the NBA.

Defense and rebounding look like major question marks but skilled size is in short supply. He seems like a guy worth taking a flyer on. See if you can coach him up in those areas.