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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2013, 02:29:20 PM »

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Bad trade. Vucevic is good but not enough return for a star like Rondo and I can't stand Jameer Nelson. Not so much him, his game.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2013, 02:34:31 PM »

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Fafnir,

You are just incorrect.  In 2010/2011 he shot 44.6%FG/ 40.1% from long range, and 80.2% at the line.  In 2011/2012 he shot 42.7/37.7/ and 80.7.  In 2012/2013 he is shooting 39.3/34.3/ and 90.4.  Yes he is down this year, but he is averaging the MOST assists by FAR in his career and is shooting over 90% at the line.  Yes, 39.3% is not good, but how many open looks is he getting on this Magic team.
So you state I'm incorrect and then you quote his shooting percentages that are declining like I said over the past three years? His FT rate has also declined.

His assists are up because the team is using him as a ballhandler more without Turk/VC around, but only up slighly under 1 per 36. His AST% is at his career norm.

His defense is even more non-existant now and his offense has declined a lot. Not a player I want any part of at 8 million and change for the non-guarenteed year. He's a below average PG now.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 02:54:14 PM »

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...For Vucevic, draft picks (plural) and someone else.  Flip Nelson's contract to a third team.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 03:12:33 PM »

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Flip Nelson's contract to a third team.
That would cost a pick or something, teams wouldn't be lining up to pay Jameer 8 million.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2013, 03:17:55 PM »

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So you state I'm incorrect and then you quote his shooting percentages that are declining like I said over the past three years?

Best argument ever.  :D :D :D
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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 03:58:08 PM »

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There will definitely be better deals to be made this summer for Rondo than this one.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 04:04:13 PM »

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There will definitely be better deals to be made this summer for Rondo than this one.

Agreed on multiple levels.
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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2013, 04:15:22 PM »

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So, Fafnir, averaging 37% from three over the last three years is horrible and declining?  Shooting 90+% at the line THIS year is declining?  Averaging by far his most assists EVER is declining?

Paying a +16 PG (while on a terrible team) $8 million for ONE stinking year is NOT that bad, especially if it means we get Big V.

What exactly does everyone think we can get for Rondo coming off a partial ACL tear??????????  Please post some plausible trade ideas, because I will be surprised if RR is in green after next year's trade deadline.

Smitty


Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2013, 05:39:11 PM »

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So, Fafnir, averaging 37% from three over the last three years is horrible and declining?  Shooting 90+% at the line THIS year is declining?  Averaging by far his most assists EVER is declining?

Paying a +16 PG (while on a terrible team) $8 million for ONE stinking year is NOT that bad, especially if it means we get Big V.

What exactly does everyone think we can get for Rondo coming off a partial ACL tear??????????  Please post some plausible trade ideas, because I will be surprised if RR is in green after next year's trade deadline.

Smitty
Yes he's declining. He's shooting worse, getting to the line less, and becoming a less effective offensive player. He's declined and the trend is downward, plus factors that his game is based on quickness and that he's relying more than ever on 3 point shots.

eFG%
.580
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TS%
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ORtg
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102

TOV
12.6
15.5
17.6
17.3
16.0

He's not horrible, but he's a well below average starting PG just offensively now. Add in defense and he's quite bad for a starter and you're paying 8 million for a year and a partial on another year? Yuck.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2013, 07:05:23 PM »

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Sorry, but at some point you have to believe kobe knows MORE about a quality pg than you do...!!!

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2013, 06:16:19 AM »

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Rondo + filler(Melo) for Teague and Horford seems reasonable ..

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2013, 06:19:37 AM »

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Rondo for V and J Nelson is a joke you have to be a Magic fan and magic is the only way it would happen!

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2013, 07:21:54 AM »

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Rondo is worth more than this .  don't want Nelson on the Celtics ever.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2013, 08:33:00 AM »

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Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger. 
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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2013, 10:14:58 AM »

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Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger.
not a fan of Vucevic and Afflalo for Rondo.   not enough for Rondo.

Maybe, Vucevic, Harkless and Nicholson in the offseason IF we're reloading.  salaries don't match but I want some talent coming back for Rondo that we can build with.  Orlando would not give up enough of their promising young talent to make this worth it


 

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