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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2013, 11:33:02 PM »

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In theory Rondo for a big, yes depending on the big.
Yeah, in theory I agree, but I wouldn't do it for Vucevic and Nelson. And I do think Vucevic has a lot of potential.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 12:08:36 AM »

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Jameer Nelson was horrible even before the bad contract.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2013, 12:19:22 AM »

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OK.  Nicholson is a stud at an 8.78 Efficiency Rating, but Vucevic is NOT at 19.79?????  Jameer is having a down year on a HORRIBLE team, yet is still a +16.  What am I missing here??  Sure, if we can get a future #1 we can try, but I seriously doubt the Magic do that!!!

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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2013, 12:23:18 AM »

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Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2013, 12:24:32 AM »

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If I'm the Magic I jump all over that.

If I'm the Celtics I fire Danny Ainge.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2013, 12:25:35 AM »

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Jameer is owed $8.6 million next year and then has a TEAM OPTION for 2014/2015 at $8 million.  Big V could be locked up through 2016 at a STEAL!!!!!

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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2013, 12:57:18 AM »

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Here's a trade I'd throw at Orlando.

Boston gives:  Rondo

Orlando gives: Beno Udrih, Quinten Richardson, 2014 #1 pick (unprotected), Boston has option to switch 2013 1st rounder.

It would be the ultimate gamble trade.  Orlando gets a perennial all-star, face of the franchise type player, Boston gets two lotto tickets to try and get two more building blocks for the future.  Beno would help a bit next season, but this trade would be all about the future.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2013, 08:35:40 AM »

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A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

One interesting hypothetical to me is, if the 76ers didn't have PG locked down by Jrue Holiday (or if you could work out a three-way with a team that needs a PG), who would be willing to deal Rondo in a sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum?  Or, if you have an negative emotional reaction to Bynum, what about the hypothetical of Rondo for a big with All-Star potential if healthy but with health that is as questionable as someone like Bynum or maybe Andrew Bogut?

If I was to trade rondo, I'd want some players back that can actually make it onto the court to play.

Interesting hypothetical. Don't be surprised if this summer we hear more rumors of Rondo being dealt to the Lakers for Pau Gasol. Sounds like Kobe is high on Rondo, and LA usually trades for or signs whatever player Kobe wants.

Assumingly, Nash would move to back up at 40 years old.

If the Celts get Gasol, don't be surprised to see KG and Paul come back next year. I like a KG, Paul and Gasol trio alot more than KG, Pierce and Rondo.

Gasol is old and starting to get into that injury prone age though.  I like the idea of getting a skilled big but I don't think Pau Gasol has much left in the tank. 

And this is one reason I wanted to see the Celtics move up and draft Austin Rivers.  It would have given us the flexibility to deal Rondo if we wanted to.  Oh well instead we got Fab Melo.  Fabulous!  :P

BTW it looks like Rivers stock is pretty low right now.  I say reunite the kid with his dad and watch him blossom into a star for us.  And that will give us the ability to deal Rondo out of a position of strength if we want to.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2013, 09:22:46 AM »

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Here's a trade I'd throw at Orlando.

Boston gives:  Rondo

Orlando gives: Beno Udrih, Quinten Richardson, 2014 #1 pick (unprotected), Boston has option to switch 2013 1st rounder.

It would be the ultimate gamble trade.  Orlando gets a perennial all-star, face of the franchise type player, Boston gets two lotto tickets to try and get two more building blocks for the future.  Beno would help a bit next season, but this trade would be all about the future.
OMG -- that's even worse than the original proposal which was horrible.

IF Rondo is traded, that deal needs to bring back at least a CURRENT all-star level talent and at least some of the following depending on that all-star:
- a high 1st rounder (preferably in 2014 which is projected to be a very good draft). Of course the issue is that if Rondo comes back healthy the team that gets him will not miss the playoffs by much if at all.
- another starter-quality player or 6th-man type of player.
- a young can't-miss prospect that may need only another year or 2 of development to become a very productive player.

The original proposal fails because Jameer is not a current all-star and Vucevic, while an intriguing prospect, isn't exactly a can't miss.  Also, put Rondo on that team and Orland would make the playoffs in the East thereby making their 1st rounder less valuable.

That last proposal has 2 guys that shouldn't be in the league, a 2014 1st rounder that becomes less valuable when Rondo plays for them (since their record will improve) and a swapped 2013 pick that, while no worse than #5 at this point, is in a fairly weak draft where the C's might be lucky to get an end-of-the-rotation-eventually quality of player.

I say hold on to him and watch how much better the team plays with him and Sully back next year now that the rest of the roster seems to have learned to play together effectively.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2013, 09:28:49 AM »

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As overrated as Rondo is... you really can't get any more "overrated" than Jameer Nelson.  I have him as possibly the worst all-star selection of all time.

AC Green?  Or do you just mean worst coaches' selection?


The only way I'd even consider this deal is if

- KG and Pierce were retiring, or at least ok with just a "farewell tour" type season (not likely)

- We get Orlando's 1st this year

- The 1st is high enough to select Marcus Smart

Even then it's a blowup move and a huge gamble.  Not the worst trade idea I've seen here but a long way from good value for Rondo.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2013, 12:20:30 PM »

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Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

Smitty77

Not sure I agree at all that we need a PG in a Rondo deal. I've been pretty pleased with Bradley and Lee - thus far.
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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2013, 12:37:36 PM »

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Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

Smitty77
Jameer is pretty washed up. The shooting percetages you cite are his career numbers, he hasn't shot that well in 3 years. He's become more and more just a 3 point shooter as his quickness has declined.

He's been in decline for the past few years and has a game that won't age very well. Not to mention he's banged up consistently and just signed for 8 million per year for 3 years.

You shouldn't pay a below average starting PG 8 million.

Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2013, 12:42:00 PM »

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I want absolutely no part of Jameer Nelson.

Also, Ainge would get skewered (rightfully so too) if he pulled the trigger on this. 


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Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2013, 12:46:58 PM »

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rather have Vucevic than Gortat .....think we can do better even.with patience

still rather have Cousins than either.

Hoping DA figures a way to snag Varajeo this summer  for peanuts.


Not really wanting any part of Nelson  on the C's...they can keep him .....





Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2013, 02:26:05 PM »

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Fafnir,

You are just incorrect.  In 2010/2011 he shot 44.6%FG/ 40.1% from long range, and 80.2% at the line.  In 2011/2012 he shot 42.7/37.7/ and 80.7.  In 2012/2013 he is shooting 39.3/34.3/ and 90.4.  Yes he is down this year, but he is averaging the MOST assists by FAR in his career and is shooting over 90% at the line.  Yes, 39.3% is not good, but how many open looks is he getting on this Magic team.

Also, you would be giving him a look/see for next year at $8 million and then you can cut ties if he doesn't do well.  I would bet he would do very well and Danny would choose to re-up him on the team option.

Besides, the trade is MOST about getting Big V, perhaps the BEST young up and coming C in the league!!!

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