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Re: NBA to test for HGH
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2013, 02:19:28 AM »

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What I'm thinking is back in the 90s when PEDs were so rampant in baseball but not yet tested, there must have been some NBA players who had the same trainers, doctors, advisors, or even agents of MLB players like Clemmens, Bonds, & McGuire. Think about who excelled in the NBA in that ERA that may get you thinking.

Shaq
Alonzo
Malone
Ben Wallace
Rodman

To be fair, Karl Malone came in big and didn't change much. Not sure about Wallace and if he got bigger but his career exploded in the 2001 season. Shaq was already 300+ in 1998. Alonzo had a great physique as well but he seems like he was all about hard work and no short cuts. Dennis Rodman though is a guy that would seem to try anything. I remember him being thin in Detroit but he got significantly bigger as his career went along and the guy had incredible stamina. Its not fair to these players but one can't help think about it.

Rodman spent all his money on crack anyway

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Re: NBA to test for HGH
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 09:28:56 AM »

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Human Growth Hormone is a naturally occurring peptide, secreted by the pituitary gland, usually during sleep or after some anabolic training.

If one uses injectable HGH, it rapidly metabolizes into IGF and other subhormones which then assist the body in rapid recovery. It's not an analog/derivative of testosterone which is easy to test for. The HGH spike disappears in the system, within an hour or so. And even its subsequent metabolites don't have lengthy residence periods.

Thus, if one isn't routinely injecting on a regular basis and let's say, juices weekly, chances are, it won't be detected. In addition to injections, an athlete can also shallow 2-3 grams of certain Amino Acids like Arginine/Ornithine/Lysine on an empty stomach daily, and also get a base line IGF increase without it being a case of doping. Taking Amino Acids doesn't violate any rules.
Heard that one at the gym, about the amino's.....Thanks..! TP..for your effort..!

Re: NBA to test for HGH
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2013, 09:48:40 AM »

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Bill Simmons recently implied that the reason the Suns training staff has been able to work such miracles is because HGH is a basic part of their training system. It wasn't necessarily an outright accusation, but it was a clear shot across the bow.

And that's the type of group that has the most to lose here, one guy taking an untraceable drug isn't really at risk here; but a conspiracy ring with paperwork..ya.
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Re: NBA to test for HGH
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2013, 12:33:43 PM »

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Bill Simmons recently implied that the reason the Suns training staff has been able to work such miracles is because HGH is a basic part of their training system. It wasn't necessarily an outright accusation, but it was a clear shot across the bow.

And that's the type of group that has the most to lose here, one guy taking an untraceable drug isn't really at risk here; but a conspiracy ring with paperwork..ya.

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Re: NBA to test for HGH
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2013, 01:11:58 PM »

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Human Growth Hormone is a naturally occurring peptide, secreted by the pituitary gland, usually during sleep or after some anabolic training.

If one uses injectable HGH, it rapidly metabolizes into IGF and other subhormones which then assist the body in rapid recovery. It's not an analog/derivative of testosterone which is easy to test for. The HGH spike disappears in the system, within an hour or so. And even its subsequent metabolites don't have lengthy residence periods.

Thus, if one isn't routinely injecting on a regular basis and let's say, juices weekly, chances are, it won't be detected. In addition to injections, an athlete can also shallow 2-3 grams of certain Amino Acids like Arginine/Ornithine/Lysine on an empty stomach daily, and also get a base line IGF increase without it being a case of doping. Taking Amino Acids doesn't violate any rules.
Heard that one at the gym, about the amino's.....Thanks..! TP..for your effort..!

What I think it means is that an HGH scandal is highly unlikely for the NBA, unless players are so lackadaisical, that they inject all the time. The MLB guys, however, took steroids, which in their case were analogs of testosterone. Clearly, there's no way to hide that and for the most part, they were easy to bust. In order to bust someone for HGH, you have to clearly show a marked deviation from baseline hormone levels. Sorry, but with a daily amino acids regimen, that'll immediately turn into a "he says, she says" type of argument instead of an indictment.