TP to the original poster. This team plays so much better without Rondo.
I have a question for those out there who say this team needs Rondo so badly
How many championships did Rondo ever win for the Celtics, if he is so valuable?
And 2008 doesn't count because I think PJ Brown who was their 3rd back up center played more of a role in the team going all the way than Rondo did.
When did Avery Bradley win us a championship? Jeff Green? Glen Davis? Nate Robinson? Kendrick Perkins? Courtney Lee? Jason Terry? Greg Stiemsma? Marquis Daniels? What about these guys? Why the hell didn't they win us a championship?
This "Rondo makes us worse" thing is insane. I'd love to pull up these threads when we get bounced in the first or second round.
To those who say Rondo is a ball hog who hurts our offense: You know what isn't going to be fun? Watching our team unable to score against Miami, Chicago, Indiana, or any other team we may face in the playoffs who cares even a lick about defense.
After that, we'll see a bunch of, "Oh, man, if only we had Rondo, one of the few guys in the league capable of breaking down elite defenses." And the best part: many of those posts will be coming from people. Who say we're better without Rondo.
This is disgusting.
Oh, oh, pick me pick me! Because those guys are role players.
So if we're talking about stars, then how come Ray, Paul, and KG don't get the blame for not winning us championships in 2009, 2010, 2011, and last year? Is it all Rondo's fault?
Well, of course it is. Because, you know, Rondo hold the ball way too much.
Wait a minute! Rondo is considered one of the best passers in the league and is great at getting teammates involved!
No, you're wrong, alter ego, because Rondo is a ball hog because I've watched him hold the ball for 20 seconds a couple times a game.
But, wait! Carmelo, LeBron, Durant, and Kobe do that, so why don't they get criticized?
Because it's Rondo, and our record happened to be pretty bad with him, and it's slightly improved without him, so it's obviously HIS fault. It is ALL Rondo's fault.
By the way LSS, I'm guessing you don't have an answer for the rest of my original post, so I'll just go on to the next Rondo critic.
You're talking to the wrong guy. I blame everyone that deserves blame. I'm one of the few guys on here that doesn't fanboy it up to ANYONE. Doc pierce KG idc. If they are hurting the team Ill call it.
Claiming that you're not a fanboy doesn't magically add any accuracy to your opinions. It's admirable that you can be critical enough of Rondo to say that his having the ball so much hurts the team. But that doesn't change the fact that our best offensive play over the last few years (including this year) has come with Rondo controlling the ball on offense and "hunting for assists". In the grand scheme of things reconciling the fact that our best offense comes with Rondo controlling the ball with your claim that his controlling the ball hurts the team would go farther than insulting the people who point out the flaws in your analysis.
I'm done going in circles with you. No matter how much better or worse we look with rondo, no matter how much we win or lose without him, no matter how much better or worse people look playing beside him, none of that matters. You will defend rondo to the grave and you have made that extremely clear.
Therefore I see no point in going back and forth with you. You like to pull up numbers when they back your stance but ignore them when they don't. I use the eye test first then I resort to numbers. This team *This year* plays better when rondo doesn't dominate the ball, my eyes tell me that and our record tells me that.
I remember awhile back lebron had a triple double in a playoff game. If you just look at the numbers you'd say well, lebron played great. If you actually watch the game you would know that was the most irrelevant triple double ever and wasn't the case. Numbers only tell so much of the story. Watching the games and wins and losses tell more than any statistical number you bring up. So with that said, I'm done here.
I totally agree with this point. In fact, I take it a step further and rarely look at those advanced stats and such for two reasons:
1. I don't really understand them
2. Once you start using them, I feel like you end up over-analyzing stuff about players.
The eye test has always been the route for me.
To connect this to the argument about Rondo: When I watch this team (since January 25, the day Rondo tore his ACL), they do play well, no question about it. The ball moves, the defense is there, and guys are thriving in their roles; however, the Playoffs are a whole other beast, and that's when we'll miss Rondo most.
There are junctures in these past 15 or so games when we struggled to create offense. Unsurprisingly, these junctures appear when the game is winding down, and usually end in pretty bad shot-selection (the ol' Pierce iso mainly). So while we may be playing well right now, I think people should lower their expectations when the postseason rolls around, because that's when ALL of us (Rondo detractors, Rondo fanboys, and whatever's in between) will truly appreciate what Rondo does for this team.
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