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Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2013, 11:54:03 AM »

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TP to the original poster.  This team plays so much better without Rondo.

I have a question for those out there who say this team needs Rondo so badly

How many championships did Rondo ever win for the Celtics, if he is so valuable?

And 2008 doesn't count because I think PJ Brown who was their 3rd back up center played more of a role in the team going all the way than Rondo did.

When did Avery Bradley win us a championship?  Jeff Green?  Glen Davis?  Nate Robinson? Kendrick Perkins?  Courtney Lee?  Jason Terry?  Greg Stiemsma?  Marquis Daniels?  What about these guys?  Why the hell didn't they win us a championship?

This "Rondo makes us worse" thing is insane.  I'd love to pull up these threads when we get bounced in the first or second round.

To those who say Rondo is a ball hog who hurts our offense: You know what isn't going to be fun?  Watching our team unable to score against Miami, Chicago, Indiana, or any other team we may face in the playoffs who cares even a lick about defense.

After that, we'll see a bunch of, "Oh, man, if only we had Rondo, one of the few guys in the league capable of breaking down elite defenses."  And the best part: many of those posts will be coming from people. Who say we're better without Rondo.

This is disgusting.

Oh, oh, pick me pick me! Because those guys are role players.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2013, 11:56:31 AM »

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Definitely wouldn't say PROBABLY. Also that's not their fault. Rondo and doc both demand the ball to be in rondos hands like 95 percent of the time. He calls for the ball the very second someone gets a rebound. Also rondo is known for feeding pierce and KG and sometimes looking past the other guys.

You see it all the time with the lakers. When kobe starts holding the ball and shot jacking the other guys tend to just stand around. You ever try playing basketball with a ball hog? Its not fun. There's no doubt in my mind this team would be better if rondo was healthy and didn't hold the ball every possession for 20 seconds looking for an assist.

Did you just try to compare Rondo, one of the two best set up PGs in the league, to Kobe when he jacks up 28 shots and freezes out the rest of his teammates?   That's lunacy.  A PG focusing too much on setting teammates is a lot different than a gunner hoisting up shot after shot while his teammates stand around.

If you want to argue that the Cs being to Rondo-centric hurt the team because they were easier to defend, because everyone wasn't as engaged as all around players, maybe I'll buy into that, but saying the Celtics players were being freezed out when on the floor with a guy who could get them the ball at any time, better than any other player in the entire league, save CP3, is lunacy. 

I've played with ball hogs, and I've played with pass first set up PGs.  I hated playing with a ball hog, but if he were on, I'd make sure to set picks for him and if he was off, I'd hit the offensive glass.  With the pass hungry PG, I'd make sure I was ready for the ball at all times. Players need to be MORE engaged with Rondo, lest a pass will hit them in the face.   

Rondo is not one of the 2 top PG's in the league. I could even argue he's not in the top 10
-CP3
-Westbrook
-Irving
-Deron Williams
-Steve Nash
-Tony Parker
-Derrick Rose
-Steph Curry
-Jason Kidd
-Mike Conley

lolz.  Jason Kidd is better than Rondo?  You say you can argue that.  Please, go right ahead.

Haha I second that. This list is hilarious.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2013, 12:06:24 PM »

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Look..we all know Rondo needs to continue to grow, but let's not forget his talent.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2013, 12:11:36 PM »

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Pouting huh?  Wow OP.

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Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2013, 12:18:10 PM »

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lol, why a thread like this after every win? It is getting tired. Why not focus on the current guys on the team. It's like Rondo still makes the team relevant even when he is not playing. Focus on the guys playing for a change.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2013, 12:19:00 PM »

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TP to the original poster.  This team plays so much better without Rondo.

I have a question for those out there who say this team needs Rondo so badly

How many championships did Rondo ever win for the Celtics, if he is so valuable?

And 2008 doesn't count because I think PJ Brown who was their 3rd back up center played more of a role in the team going all the way than Rondo did.

When did Avery Bradley win us a championship?  Jeff Green?  Glen Davis?  Nate Robinson? Kendrick Perkins?  Courtney Lee?  Jason Terry?  Greg Stiemsma?  Marquis Daniels?  What about these guys?  Why the hell didn't they win us a championship?

This "Rondo makes us worse" thing is insane.  I'd love to pull up these threads when we get bounced in the first or second round.

To those who say Rondo is a ball hog who hurts our offense: You know what isn't going to be fun?  Watching our team unable to score against Miami, Chicago, Indiana, or any other team we may face in the playoffs who cares even a lick about defense.

After that, we'll see a bunch of, "Oh, man, if only we had Rondo, one of the few guys in the league capable of breaking down elite defenses."  And the best part: many of those posts will be coming from people. Who say we're better without Rondo.

This is disgusting.

Oh, oh, pick me pick me! Because those guys are role players.

So if we're talking about stars, then how come Ray, Paul, and KG don't get the blame for not winning us championships in 2009, 2010, 2011, and last year?  Is it all Rondo's fault?

Well, of course it is.  Because, you know, Rondo hold the ball way too much.

Wait a minute!  Rondo is considered one of the best passers in the league and is great at getting teammates involved!

No, you're wrong, alter ego, because Rondo is a ball hog because I've watched him hold the ball for 20 seconds a couple times a game.

But, wait!  Carmelo, LeBron, Durant, and Kobe do that, so why don't they get criticized?

Because it's Rondo, and our record happened to be pretty bad with him, and it's slightly improved without him, so it's obviously HIS fault.  It is ALL Rondo's fault.

By the way LSS, I'm guessing you don't have an answer for the rest of my original post, so I'll just go on to the next Rondo critic.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2013, 12:20:35 PM »

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If you really think this team is better without Rondo you're fooling yourself... This is a league of stars, we'll see if there's a thread like this in the playoffs

why the losing record with him? we became an instant success the day he hobbled off the court. I think Doc accidentally wound up with a winning team because he didn't know how to or was afraid to handle Rondo. I think one of the reasons Allen left the Celts was because of Rondo. I think Rondo is one of the Stars, barely, and he carries baggage along with that title. 

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2013, 12:23:32 PM »

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Pretty sure they had their largest win of the season against the suns with kg sitting, same suns team who just beat the spurs and hawks, made the second round of the playoffs with him hurt and were nearly undefeated with Scal in his place the year we won a title

Boring

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2013, 12:24:43 PM »

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TP to the original poster.  This team plays so much better without Rondo.

I have a question for those out there who say this team needs Rondo so badly

How many championships did Rondo ever win for the Celtics, if he is so valuable?

And 2008 doesn't count because I think PJ Brown who was their 3rd back up center played more of a role in the team going all the way than Rondo did.

When did Avery Bradley win us a championship?  Jeff Green?  Glen Davis?  Nate Robinson? Kendrick Perkins?  Courtney Lee?  Jason Terry?  Greg Stiemsma?  Marquis Daniels?  What about these guys?  Why the hell didn't they win us a championship?

This "Rondo makes us worse" thing is insane.  I'd love to pull up these threads when we get bounced in the first or second round.

To those who say Rondo is a ball hog who hurts our offense: You know what isn't going to be fun?  Watching our team unable to score against Miami, Chicago, Indiana, or any other team we may face in the playoffs who cares even a lick about defense.

After that, we'll see a bunch of, "Oh, man, if only we had Rondo, one of the few guys in the league capable of breaking down elite defenses."  And the best part: many of those posts will be coming from people. Who say we're better without Rondo.

This is disgusting.

Oh, oh, pick me pick me! Because those guys are role players.

So if we're talking about stars, then how come Ray, Paul, and KG don't get the blame for not winning us championships in 2009, 2010, 2011, and last year?  Is it all Rondo's fault?

Well, of course it is.  Because, you know, Rondo hold the ball way too much.

Wait a minute!  Rondo is considered one of the best passers in the league and is great at getting teammates involved!

No, you're wrong, alter ego, because Rondo is a ball hog because I've watched him hold the ball for 20 seconds a couple times a game.

But, wait!  Carmelo, LeBron, Durant, and Kobe do that, so why don't they get criticized?

Because it's Rondo, and our record happened to be pretty bad with him, and it's slightly improved without him, so it's obviously HIS fault.  It is ALL Rondo's fault.

By the way LSS, I'm guessing you don't have an answer for the rest of my original post, so I'll just go on to the next Rondo critic.

Because they are STARS...flawless(not), lol....even Melo gets a pass, Honey Nut Cheerios and all...waiting outside with his posse for KG and all.

Rondo can't shoot...never will be able to shoot (not).

BOS is just not that attractive "Star" wise - to the NBA.

They even have an "Older" guy wearing Celtics gear on that NBA commercial, for crying out loud. ;D

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2013, 12:28:16 PM »

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TO the OP:  Did you start threads like this when the Celtics were losing to Charlotte and Portland? .... and probably would have won in Portland and Charlotte with Rondo healthy.

With Rondo we lost games to Detroit (2), Phili (2), NO at home, and Sac among others.  The truth is that Rondo's minutes have been replaced with more minutes for Bradley, Lee, and Terry plus now minutes from Jordan Crawford and we are playing as good if not better.  Measure it how every you want, that is just black and white.

This either means that Rondo isn't as good as some think or that Bradley. Lee, Terry, Crawford are just as good as Rondo (or at least make an equal contribution to the team).  This very clearly proven reality seems very hard for people to accept.


I think we won't really know about this team until the playoffs. If we somehow beat miami the rondo supporters will lose their minds lol.

  We weren't playing bad because of Rondo and much of our recent improvement is unrelated to Rondo leaving. If we beat the Heat it will go to show how dangerous the team would have been in the playoffs with Rondo on the team.

Whoa whoa WHOA! Really? So basically, no matter how bad we play with rondo its not his fault and no matter how good we play without him its irrelevant because we'd play much better with him even tho our 20-23 record says otherwise? Let me sum all this up........all hail the mighty rondo. Seriously tim, I have never seen a guy defend ANYONE the way you defend rondo lol.

  I'd have thought that the revelation that PP and Terry were struggling with injuries would have tempered the blaming of our offensive woes on Rondo, maybe people just can't see the connection. Not to mention if you've seen the Celts play much since 2010 or so we've played great ball with Rondo controlling the ball.

  Since you made a Kobe comparison in this thread I'll follow suit. Remember all the posts earlier this year about how poorly the team did when Kobe scored 30 or more points? I think their record bottomed out at 2-9 in such games. Everyone heard that and everyone was explaining exactly *why* the team played so poorly when Kobe scored so much.

  The reality of the situation is that the Lakers generally do well when Kobe scores 30 points. They won almost 70% of such games in the prior 3 seasons and they've won 8 out of the last 13 such games this year. What people were seeing was an anomaly. The team was struggling. Not because Kobe was shooting too much, just struggling.

  People 's explanations about what was happening wasn't based on what was going on in games but were based on taking short term results. They assumed that those results were a systemic problem and came up with reasons that Kobe scoring too much might lead to a team struggling. The team's performance in Kobe's high scoring games both before and after that small streak show that the explanations weren't based on reality. The Celt's play over the last few years show the same thing about the claims people are making about the claims about Rondo being the source of our problems.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2013, 12:29:42 PM »

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The culture has been changed to a winning one since 07 and we can withstand the loss of players and still win.....was sully pouty to? ::)

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2013, 12:30:33 PM »

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TO the OP:  Did you start threads like this when the Celtics were losing to Charlotte and Portland? Boston is winning their home games without Rondo.  NBA teams win home games.  Boston is 3-4 on the road since he went down, and probably would have won in Portland and Charlotte with Rondo healthy.

This whole "Rondo Pouting" stuff is foolishness.  The guy is great at running a team.  Now that he's not there, others are expanding their role and the Celtics are winning games.  If these players took it upon themselves to be more active, instead of waiting for Rondo to set the table for them, they would have been winning with Rondo.

One thing I do agree with the Rondo critics is that he wasn't held to a high standard defensively in the regular season. Pressuring the ball defensively has been a key reason why the Celtics have been winning.  Maybe when Rondo returns, he and Doc will have a different perspective on how much energy he can expend on the defensive end and still run the team.     

The regular season is a marathon, and teams, good and bad, go on runs, based on schedule, health, etc.  Let's see how the Cs do in a playoff series before we make and grand pronouncements about how the Celtics are better off without Rajon Rondo.

Well if that's what it takes *Rondo getting hurt* and the rest of the Team picking it up. Kudos to Rondo. He took one for the Team. Bottom line we're winning. Rondo excels on a very well structured Team like Pierce, Kg and Allen carrying the weight. Haven't seen Rondo carry a lesser Team yet.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2013, 12:31:32 PM »

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TP to the original poster.  This team plays so much better without Rondo.

I have a question for those out there who say this team needs Rondo so badly

How many championships did Rondo ever win for the Celtics, if he is so valuable?

And 2008 doesn't count because I think PJ Brown who was their 3rd back up center played more of a role in the team going all the way than Rondo did.

When did Avery Bradley win us a championship?  Jeff Green?  Glen Davis?  Nate Robinson? Kendrick Perkins?  Courtney Lee?  Jason Terry?  Greg Stiemsma?  Marquis Daniels?  What about these guys?  Why the hell didn't they win us a championship?

This "Rondo makes us worse" thing is insane.  I'd love to pull up these threads when we get bounced in the first or second round.

To those who say Rondo is a ball hog who hurts our offense: You know what isn't going to be fun?  Watching our team unable to score against Miami, Chicago, Indiana, or any other team we may face in the playoffs who cares even a lick about defense.

After that, we'll see a bunch of, "Oh, man, if only we had Rondo, one of the few guys in the league capable of breaking down elite defenses."  And the best part: many of those posts will be coming from people. Who say we're better without Rondo.

This is disgusting.

Oh, oh, pick me pick me! Because those guys are role players.

So if we're talking about stars, then how come Ray, Paul, and KG don't get the blame for not winning us championships in 2009, 2010, 2011, and last year?  Is it all Rondo's fault?

Well, of course it is.  Because, you know, Rondo hold the ball way too much.

Wait a minute!  Rondo is considered one of the best passers in the league and is great at getting teammates involved!

No, you're wrong, alter ego, because Rondo is a ball hog because I've watched him hold the ball for 20 seconds a couple times a game.

But, wait!  Carmelo, LeBron, Durant, and Kobe do that, so why don't they get criticized?

Because it's Rondo, and our record happened to be pretty bad with him, and it's slightly improved without him, so it's obviously HIS fault.  It is ALL Rondo's fault.

By the way LSS, I'm guessing you don't have an answer for the rest of my original post, so I'll just go on to the next Rondo critic.

You're talking to the wrong guy. I blame everyone that deserves blame. I'm one of the few guys on here that doesn't fanboy it up to ANYONE. Doc pierce KG idc. If they are hurting the team Ill call it.

I didn't respond to the rest of your post because honestly I don't feel like i need too. Kobe does get criticized, alot actually. Not by the kobe fanboys but by everyone else. Rondo isn't anywhere near as good as lebron or durant so he can't get away with doing what they do because he doesn't do  it anywhere near as great.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2013, 12:39:54 PM »

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We will need a lot of our guys to "play over their heads" in the playoffs...without Rondo and Sully.

Sorry, but that's just them apples.

I am still pushing and rooting for the team to win it all and I believe they can do it...that's just the nature of a die hard fan.

the oranges is didn't look like a Team that was headed for the playoffs with Rondo. Besides Rondo carries his Health Insurance Policy around because he's always healing something.

Re: Another win w/o a pouting Rondo
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2013, 12:47:33 PM »

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I still think rondo will be missed in the playoffs but if jeff green can play like an allstar we have a shot.

  If Green played like an all-star in the playoffs and we had Rondo that shot would be significantly better.