well we know that Rondo couldn't be traded for Chris Paul or Stephen Curry before last year. This was 22 year old Steph Curry that had an ankle injury, not the 24 year old Steph Curry of right now. I think that should give you a pretty good idea of his trade value.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.
Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.
I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
You're guessing that I'm overrating his trade value, neither of us know exactly what it is and your assumption seems to be that his trade value isn't based on how effective a player he is.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
It was probably a darn short discussion and it happened before Rondo went out with a torn ACL. I'm sure Rondo for Dwight could theoretically be discussed if Dwight was demanding a trade and planning on bailing on LA and leaving them nothing in return.
Rondo's a great player, but he's a limited player and not someone who can carry a team. He also has severe flaws in his game and requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful. It really hurts his potential trade value. Look at the kind of deals we've been rejected for.
Chris Paul - Clearly superior to Rondo in most ways
Steph Curry - You take elite shooting over elite passing all day.
Pau Gasol - You take an elite big over an elite passer all day..
Elite scoring and elite bigs are what wins titles... this isn't football. You don't need a quarterback. You need someone who can put the ball the bucket and prevent others from doing the same.
So I think the type of guy you could get for Rondo would be a big who isn't quite elite... or a scorer who isn't quite elite. I'm talkin bout someone like a Danny Granger if you're looking for scoring. Or... perhaps someone like Al Jefferson from a team like Utah who needs an upgrade at PG and is loaded with bigs. That's the wheelhouse for ROndo's trade value.
Really when you look at Rondo's career he's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd. Kidd has been traded multiple times in his career
#1 - Along with two guys who were recently picked in the 1st round, he was traded for for Michael Finley (who at that point was 23 years old and averaging 13 points... eventually made a couple allstar teams in his career but never was an "elite" scorer) ... and 27 year old Sam Cassell who actually was only like a 14 and 5 guy at the time.
What would you compare that trade to at that point in their respective careers?... I think it would be like trading Rondo + Sully + Melo for Darren Collinson and OJ Mayo.
#2 - Traded for Stephon Marbury... a bit of a headcase. He had yet to make an allstar team. More of a scorer than a traditional point guard. His team had stunk. He was still only 23 though. What would you compare that trade to?... Rondo for Brandon Jennings?
#3 - Traded for Devin Harris ... strange deal, because Kidd was kind of over the hill and Harris was a young decent player who had put together some inflated stats. He was 24 and averaging 14 and 4. That's like trading Rondo for something between a Ramon Sessions and a Brandon Knight.
And then of course Kidd's trade value was always higher than Rondo's just because Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo and Kidd (on the court at least) didn't seem to have a lot of the stigmas that Rondo has (moody, poor leadership, mails in games).
So I'd say Rondo's trade value (when healthy) is somewhere between Al Jefferson and Ramon Sessions. I'd say Rondo's trade value during the trade deadline (torn ACL) was just about nothing. And I'd say that I'd rather hang onto Rondo than get the kind of return we'd be able to get for him.