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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2013, 06:45:07 PM »

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I applaud KG for using his no trade clause, if in fact, he did.

Made my day.  Don't care if it bothers others.  Too bad for you.

Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2013, 06:51:33 PM »

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I applaud KG for using his no trade clause, if in fact, he did.

Made my day.  Don't care if it bothers others.  Too bad for you.



To each his own i guess.

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I root for the name on the front.

Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2013, 07:15:58 PM »

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I applaud KG for using his no trade clause, if in fact, he did.

Made my day.  Don't care if it bothers others.  Too bad for you.



To each his own i guess.

You root for the name on the back of the jersey.

I root for the name on the front.

First, there's nothing wrong with rooting for individual players, especially those who have shown passion and loyalty to the franchise.

Second, just because somebody doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't mean they're not every bit the fan of the franchise that you are.


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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2013, 07:23:46 PM »

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Deandre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe are "garbage" players? In what world, say you?

The cap space that could be created in the case of a sudden KG retirement is much, much more valuable than two players who at best would be role players on a championship team.

All these garbage trades people keep proposing (Jordan, Bledsoe, Cousins) are all great ways to ensure a decade of mediocrity.


Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2013, 09:43:39 AM »

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Deandre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe are "garbage" players? In what world, say you?

The cap space that could be created in the case of a sudden KG retirement is much, much more valuable than two players who at best would be role players on a championship team.

All these garbage trades people keep proposing (Jordan, Bledsoe, Cousins) are all great ways to ensure a decade of mediocrity.
we are going to be in a decade of mediocrity and/or crap anyway.  Rondo is too good a player to keep Boston from being terrible and if we let him walk for nothing it will be at least 3 or 4 years of being bad before there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  Boston needed to go all in at the deadline or go into full bore rebuilding.  The status quo just delays the inevitable.
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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2013, 10:20:36 AM »

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Deandre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe are "garbage" players? In what world, say you?

The cap space that could be created in the case of a sudden KG retirement is much, much more valuable than two players who at best would be role players on a championship team.

All these garbage trades people keep proposing (Jordan, Bledsoe, Cousins) are all great ways to ensure a decade of mediocrity.
we are going to be in a decade of mediocrity and/or crap anyway.  Rondo is too good a player to keep Boston from being terrible and if we let him walk for nothing it will be at least 3 or 4 years of being bad before there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  Boston needed to go all in at the deadline or go into full bore rebuilding.  The status quo just delays the inevitable.


Whatever we get for Rondo in a trade plus cap space is probably better than Rondo and Deandre Jordan.

I disagree somewhat with others re: Bledsoe.  I think he could have been an asset.

But then again, he could have topped out not much better than what he is now and then he wouldn't be worth nearly as much.
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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2013, 10:27:27 AM »

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Deandre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe are "garbage" players? In what world, say you?

The cap space that could be created in the case of a sudden KG retirement is much, much more valuable than two players who at best would be role players on a championship team.

All these garbage trades people keep proposing (Jordan, Bledsoe, Cousins) are all great ways to ensure a decade of mediocrity.
we are going to be in a decade of mediocrity and/or crap anyway.  Rondo is too good a player to keep Boston from being terrible and if we let him walk for nothing it will be at least 3 or 4 years of being bad before there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  Boston needed to go all in at the deadline or go into full bore rebuilding.  The status quo just delays the inevitable.

  The good news is, based on what I've read over the last few years, we're already in year 4 or so of mediocrity and/or crap.

Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 10:28:13 AM »

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i have just a small, non-kg related question.

phosita mentioned in his post that..

"- Fab Melo was originally in the Wizards deal, but the Wizards preferred a cheaper veteran expiring contract as filler to a 1st round pick big man with a few years left on a rookie contract."

i have not been able to find anything to back up this point on the wizards not wanting melo's contract. all i have seen is a rumor that first included him, then later replaced him with collins.

does anyone have a solid statement that the wizards said "no melo, give us the contract we can dump immediately"? or was it a case of the wizards asking for melo and then ainge saying no?

just curious.
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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2013, 10:28:49 AM »

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Agreed, to a degree.

I certainly think that those who considered moving Garnett and Pierce the prerequisite to a rebuild are off-point.

The key to beginning a rebuild is the return Danny can get for Rondo, hopefully in the summer once he's healthy and marketable again.

He is the most valuable asset the franchise has, and his performance pre-injury certainly adds to the numerous questions about whether he's a rebuilding block or a trade asset.

To me, it's clear - he is the latter. Unfortunate he went down when he did, or perhaps Danny could have gotten value for him at the deadline.

Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2013, 10:33:31 AM »

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I applaud KG for using his no trade clause, if in fact, he did.

Made my day.  Don't care if it bothers others.  Too bad for you.



To each his own i guess.

You root for the name on the back of the jersey.

I root for the name on the front.

First, there's nothing wrong with rooting for individual players, especially those who have shown passion and loyalty to the franchise.

Second, just because somebody doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't mean they're not every bit the fan of the franchise that you are.

Eh, Roy, I coached two-dozen players over the years who displayed passion and loyalty to the team.

And none of them could contribute significantly to winning.

Personally, I am not wired toward the individual player worship. Not how a coach can or should think. Or a general manager, for that matter. See Green, Jeff for further information.

I like players who contribute consistently to winning, with as few negatives as possible. Can you keep the basketball moving? Do you take good shots consistently? Do you make consistently good decisions with the basketball? Can you get the tough rebound?

Beyond that, meh. They are pieces to be reshuffled to find the above.

Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2013, 10:40:26 AM »

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i have just a small, non-kg related question.

phosita mentioned in his post that..

"- Fab Melo was originally in the Wizards deal, but the Wizards preferred a cheaper veteran expiring contract as filler to a 1st round pick big man with a few years left on a rookie contract."

i have not been able to find anything to back up this point on the wizards not wanting melo's contract. all i have seen is a rumor that first included him, then later replaced him with collins.

does anyone have a solid statement that the wizards said "no melo, give us the contract we can dump immediately"? or was it a case of the wizards asking for melo and then ainge saying no?

just curious.

Admittedly, there was some amount of speculation here on my part.

But from what I read it sounded pretty clear that Danny put Melo in the deal.  Melo was on the table.  I believe the Wizards could have had Melo if they wanted him.  But they chose the cap savings over the rookie deal project.
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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2013, 10:43:09 AM »

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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2013, 10:44:24 AM »

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i have just a small, non-kg related question.

phosita mentioned in his post that..

"- Fab Melo was originally in the Wizards deal, but the Wizards preferred a cheaper veteran expiring contract as filler to a 1st round pick big man with a few years left on a rookie contract."

i have not been able to find anything to back up this point on the wizards not wanting melo's contract. all i have seen is a rumor that first included him, then later replaced him with collins.

does anyone have a solid statement that the wizards said "no melo, give us the contract we can dump immediately"? or was it a case of the wizards asking for melo and then ainge saying no?

just curious.

Admittedly, there was some amount of speculation here on my part.

But from what I read it sounded pretty clear that Danny put Melo in the deal.  Melo was on the table.  I believe the Wizards could have had Melo if they wanted him.  But they chose the cap savings over the rookie deal project.

Michael Lee of the Washington Post reported that the Wizards rejected Lee, and wanted the cost savings:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/2/21/4014942/jordan-crawford-trade-wizards-rejected-fab-melo-offer-preferred


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K. Irving / S. Livingston / S. Blake

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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2013, 10:50:20 AM »

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i have just a small, non-kg related question.

phosita mentioned in his post that..

"- Fab Melo was originally in the Wizards deal, but the Wizards preferred a cheaper veteran expiring contract as filler to a 1st round pick big man with a few years left on a rookie contract."

i have not been able to find anything to back up this point on the wizards not wanting melo's contract. all i have seen is a rumor that first included him, then later replaced him with collins.

does anyone have a solid statement that the wizards said "no melo, give us the contract we can dump immediately"? or was it a case of the wizards asking for melo and then ainge saying no?

just curious.

Admittedly, there was some amount of speculation here on my part.

But from what I read it sounded pretty clear that Danny put Melo in the deal.  Melo was on the table.  I believe the Wizards could have had Melo if they wanted him.  But they chose the cap savings over the rookie deal project.

Michael Lee of the Washington Post reported that the Wizards rejected Lee, and wanted the cost savings:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/2/21/4014942/jordan-crawford-trade-wizards-rejected-fab-melo-offer-preferred

yep. this addresses my question perfectly. i give thanks to both of you.
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Re: Don't Blame Danny
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2013, 11:05:23 AM »

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Agreed, to a degree.

I certainly think that those who considered moving Garnett and Pierce the prerequisite to a rebuild are off-point.

The key to beginning a rebuild is the return Danny can get for Rondo, hopefully in the summer once he's healthy and marketable again.

He is the most valuable asset the franchise has, and his performance pre-injury certainly adds to the numerous questions about whether he's a rebuilding block or a trade asset.

To me, it's clear - he is the latter. Unfortunate he went down when he did, or perhaps Danny could have gotten value for him at the deadline.

  Hopefully Danny's smart enough to judge Rondo more on the deep playoff runs he's led the team on that a 1-2 month stretch during the season when the team's not playing well which we seem to see every year.

 

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