Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?

[kgfor3]

This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

[BballTim]

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

What trade for a big man would you have made?

  Yeah, it's not like there were any bigs moving around that we missed on. I could see complaining if Smith or Gortat were traded and we didn't go after them, that wasn't the case.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Danny attempted to rebuild; KG said he would veto, and Pierce had very little trade value.  Danny also attempted to reload, and again, didn't have the assets.

  Put a healthy Rondo and Sully on the team and the team would still be contenders. Next year they'll have a glut of guards and probably trade one of them (on a one year shorter contract than they're on now) in a package for another backup big.

[Fred Roberts]

Other than missing on Gasol the year we took Gabe Pruitt (hated that pick from second 1), I think Danny has done a pretty great job as GM.

We love to pick nits with Danny, but gimme a break, the prior 15 years of management were utterly atrocious. Get over it. Danny has created a great environment that players love. Doc is not perfect either, but guys love to play for him and he's able to get guys to buy in.

Sully's back will be okay, and Fabulous Melo will be serviceable within 3 years. Neither will be a superstar, but neither will anyone else drafted behind them. Other GMs whiff all the time in the lottery, and Ainge usually hits with his late 1st and early 2nd round picks.

[thirstyboots18]

You thought wrong.  I am very happy.  Maybe Doc can get this again injured team to outperform and amaze us in the playoffs...(actually, I am counting on it!  )  Next year, like Roy said, important pieces will be back.  The rebuilding (which, IMO, has already started with Rondo, Sully, Green and Bradley) will continue.

If someone has developed a sure fire way to reboot anything in life, please publish it so the rest of us can find immediate gratification and power as well, and so that our teams will have a clear path, unhampered by fate, to every championship.

[RJ87]

The reason Danny stays employed after the season is because ownership isn't a bunch of panicky idiots.

This.

Danny made pretty strong moves considering limited resources.

I agree we needed a big this deadline,  but just because we want one doesn't mean a team was willing to trade with us. Sometimes I wonder if people really understand how it hard it is to actually complete a trade or signing.

[BleedGreen1989]

The reason Danny stays employed after the season is because ownership isn't a bunch of panicky idiots.

This.

Danny made pretty strong moves considering limited resources.

I agree we needed a big this deadline,  but just because we want one doesn't mean a team was willing to trade with us. Sometimes I wonder if people really understand how it hard it is to actually complete a trade or signing.

Exactly. One question I want to ask all the Ainge haters is what was Danny suppose to do? Just because we want Gortat for example doesn't mean Pheonix wants to trade him.

[thirstyboots18]

remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

[BostonNative]

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

What trade for a big man would you have made?

  Yeah, it's not like there were any bigs moving around that we missed on. I could see complaining if Smith or Gortat were traded and we didn't go after them, that wasn't the case.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Danny attempted to rebuild; KG said he would veto, and Pierce had very little trade value.  Danny also attempted to reload, and again, didn't have the assets.

  Put a healthy Rondo and Sully on the team and the team would still be contenders. Next year they'll have a glut of guards and probably trade one of them (on a one year shorter contract than they're on now) in a package for another backup big.

did i miss something? Swore we was stinking it up even with rondo. Wait nvm we was stinking it up a tad worse when we had rondo.

[More Banners]

Wow.

Danny, not perfect, but gosh.  It's not like he's Michael Jordan or anything.  MJ had to buy a team so he could be involved in the front office.

Danny only put together a team last offseason that looks like it might manage to still compete in the playoffs without its allstar and missing two rotation players.  Most teams would be headed straight for the lottery.  We're not.

Okay...he traded Jason Collins, and we're now short one big.  Who is really thinking that the loss of JC impacts our title hopes?

[BballTim]

did i miss something? Swore we was stinking it up even with rondo. Wait nvm we was stinking it up a tad worse when we had rondo.

  I'd guess you missed much of the last 3 years when the Celts were up and down during the season and made some noise in the playoffs. This year you might not have noticed that some of the players weren't healthy, we didn't have set rotations and players weren't getting consistent minutes or having consistent roles. Every year people emphatically claim that they saw enough during the season to know that the team won't do well in the playoffs, most years they're wrong.

[winsomme]

I just want to look at the Jordan/Bledsoe rumored deal. I guess we don't know if Danny wanted that to happen or not, but we have heard that he never actually approached KG about waiving his no-trade to make it happen. so I'm going to argue that ultimately he didn't want that deal. and honestly that might the be one of the best decisions he made as GM.

Does anybody watch the Clippers play? Jordan can't even stay on the floor for a team who has no other C who gets consistent playing time. and ask yourself this in regard to his ability to improve. Is he ever even going to be close to player that KG is now at the age of 36? I mean he has some room to improve but he is not a skilled player. He can't shoot and isn't even a solid rebounder. He's very athletic, but where was that really going to take him? Was he really going to lead this team to being a contender?

As for Bledsoe, how much better is he than Crawford who Danny essentially got for nothing? Is he enough better to trade away the emotional core of this team?

I saw one post that was longing for PP and KG trades that could have left us with a future lineup of:

Rondo/Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green/Bass
JSmoove/Sully
Jordan/Melo/?

Really?? This is the team we wanted Danny to assemble? How is that team better than those Hawks teams that have been kicking around the last 6-7 years living in mediocrity?

Would that team even give this current Cs team a series?

I think a lot of fans get sucked into the "on paper" syndrome and really don't take into account intangibles. I mean, who is your shot-maker on that team? That's just not a good team. Look at the loaded Washington team right now. Lots of nice young talent, but no mental toughness to actually be a winner night in and night out...

Assembling a team like that is not what I personally want out of a GM, that's for sure.

[eugen]

remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him...

[Boris Badenov]

remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean there isn't one.

I remember freaking out when we traded the #5 pick for Ray Allen, because I thought we were mortgaging our future for a couple years of mediocrity.

I'm pretty sure, looking back, that Danny had a plan.

(I was also upset because I thought Jeff Green was going to be the next Scottie Pippen, which made me 0-for-2.)

[BballTim]

remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him...

  Nobody thought Danny had any idea what he was doing when he lost out in the Oden/Durant lottery. Two months later we had a title team. Your not seeing a plan doesn't mean that Danny doesn't have one.

[Geo123]

remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him...

He didn't send out Ray.  Ray chose not to resign even after being offered a better deal.  We get it form your posts, you don't like DA.... 

He has planned for the future.  Rondo, Sullinger, Green, Lee and upcoming cap space.  Pierce is only committed to 5 million next year and most people believe KG will retire either tis year or next....