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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2013, 07:28:10 PM »

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I am happy with the move.   I was willing to go either way with a breakup or a another run.   I love the C's but decent player with nothing gave up.  I do not think Barbosa would have got signed next year.

We can still sign him next season if he wants to be here (Doc wants him back)!
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2013, 07:28:33 PM »

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we gave up nothing to get a better player
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2013, 07:29:17 PM »

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Is Crawford a FA this summer??
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2013, 07:31:43 PM »

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I am happy with the move.   I was willing to go either way with a breakup or a another run.   I love the C's but decent player with nothing gave up.  I do not think Barbosa would have got signed next year.
For what it's worth, Wizards fans are irate and feel that Grunfeld got fleeced on this one.

He did.  He got two 30+ bench players, one whose ACL is destroyed and out for the year, for a young guy that for all his problems can at least play basketball.

Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2013, 07:34:17 PM »

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He would have second most assists on our team. What??

Probably. Behind the captain that is.

I am happy with the move.   I was willing to go either way with a breakup or a another run.   I love the C's but decent player with nothing gave up.  I do not think Barbosa would have got signed next year.
For what it's worth, Wizards fans are irate and feel that Grunfeld got fleeced on this one.

He did.  He got two 30+ bench players, one whose ACL is destroyed and out for the year, for a young guy that for all his problems can at least play basketball.

He was just going to sub Beal for minimal minutes for the rest of the way in any case.
Still saying, this move is practically negligible, basketball-wise. If he was some sort of real gem, no way the Wizards would let him go with that sort of package.

Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2013, 07:36:48 PM »

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Doesn't this potentially get us below the luxury tax as well??

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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2013, 07:37:03 PM »

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He would have second most assists on our team. What??

Probably. Behind the captain that is.

I am happy with the move.   I was willing to go either way with a breakup or a another run.   I love the C's but decent player with nothing gave up.  I do not think Barbosa would have got signed next year.
For what it's worth, Wizards fans are irate and feel that Grunfeld got fleeced on this one.

He did.  He got two 30+ bench players, one whose ACL is destroyed and out for the year, for a young guy that for all his problems can at least play basketball.

He was just going to sub Beal for minimal minutes for the rest of the way in any case.
Still saying, this move is practically negligible, basketball-wise. If he was some sort of real gem, no way the Wizards would let him go with that sort of package.


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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2013, 07:37:45 PM »

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Oh, on another note, we just got back a new E'Twaun Moore for our team. Nice.
This is just ignorant. Moore is probably not even an NBA level player, Crawford is a very talented scorer. He has certain obvious flaws that hold him back, but comparing him with E'Twaun is a joke.
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2013, 07:40:06 PM »

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Does anyone recall (and if so, are you willing to admit it) if they wanted the Celtics to draft Crawford back in 2010 or at least had him ahead of Avery Bradley on their list?
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2013, 07:42:30 PM »

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Oh, on another note, we just got back a new E'Twaun Moore for our team. Nice.
This is just ignorant. Moore is probably not even an NBA level player, Crawford is a very talented scorer. He has certain obvious flaws that hold him back, but comparing him with E'Twaun is a joke.

8.4/2.6/2.2 is still a borderline NBA player.
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #115 on: February 21, 2013, 07:44:49 PM »

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Doesn't this potentially get us below the luxury tax as well??

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I don't believe it shaved off enough salary.  I think we're still about $800k over.


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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #116 on: February 21, 2013, 07:44:59 PM »

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This is a good move.  Crawford isn't perfect, but he's an NBA talent, which is something more than can be said for most of our other options out there.  And we got him for essentially nothing. 

Also, I think the KG factor could make a big difference.  The Wizards are hardly a model NBA franchise, and I think playing with vets who work can potentially make a difference with him. 

Think about how Antoine Walker's career might've been different had he not been drafted into the cesspool that was the 1996 Celtics.  Not that Crawford is Walker, but I do think that the shift in environment could make a difference.

I also think a lot of the frustration about Crawford is because people got caught up with unrealistic trade rumors that were never going to happen.  And when they didn't, people are disappointed that the reality didn't match the fantasy. 

Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #117 on: February 21, 2013, 07:46:35 PM »

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He was just going to sub Beal for minimal minutes for the rest of the way in any case.
Still saying, this move is practically negligible, basketball-wise. If he was some sort of real gem, no way the Wizards would let him go with that sort of package.
It's true that Crawford wasn't going to play (so the trade doesn't affect team performance).

But to trade a player with his talent, signed on a team-friendly contract, for pretty much nothing is just bad management.
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Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #118 on: February 21, 2013, 07:47:11 PM »

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As far as value goes, this trade was a steal.  We gave up a guy who's out for the year and a guy who shouldn't be in the league anymore in exchange for a young prospect on a rookie deal.  Are you kidding me?

As far as talent, I'm not a fan.  Crawford can certainly put the ball in the basket, but he's rather inefficient.  His defense is pretty poor, too, and he's not a spectacular athlete either.  However, this move does shore up our backcourt rotation, so we at least have a passable ten-man rotation of:

Bradley Terry
Lee Crawford
Pierce Williams
Bass Green
Garnett Wilcox

Yes, for the time being, Jeff will be playing PF a lot.

Overall, don't love the trade, but Danny did a great job of unloading dead weight (well, maybe it would have been nice to still have Collins) for cheap talent.

Re: Crawford to Celtics?
« Reply #119 on: February 21, 2013, 07:47:46 PM »

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LOL, you should be laughing like I am as soon as you got ready to type it (bold part)!!!

Ah, that's right, that's right. This was just one bad way to put it. The Wizards franchise is doomed as it is now.

Oh, on another note, we just got back a new E'Twaun Moore for our team. Nice.
This is just ignorant. Moore is probably not even an NBA level player, Crawford is a very talented scorer. He has certain obvious flaws that hold him back, but comparing him with E'Twaun is a joke.

Statistically speaking, Moore isn't that much behind Crawford.
Anyway, I have seen Jordan Crawford play. I really don't think his scoring style fits ball movement a bit, but if he proves me wrong -for which he would first need to shoot at least 45% from the field-, I'll happily admit getting it wrong.