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The Rebuilding Myth
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:45:06 PM »

Offline rutzan

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Let's put the Rebuilding Myth to rest once and for all:

Knicks: relevant for the 1st time since ewing left in 2000
Nets: somewhat relevant for the 1st time since NBA Finals in 2003
Sixers: ask philly fans how it's been going since AI left in 2006
Raptors: tried to build around tmac, carter, bosh and now bargani...that's turned out real well...
Pacers: ask indy fans how its' been since miller left in 2005...oh, that's right...the malice in the palace team...
Bulls: remember when they tried to build around brand, chandler, tyrus thomas...now boozer and noah...oh yeah...this is year 5 of the rose era
Bucks: really not much to say is there?
Detroit: villanueva and gordon turned out real well, didn't they?
Cle: couldn't win with the king...irving is a great player in yr 2 but prob won't make any noise unless the king comes back
Cheat: enough said
Hawks: nice teams but can you really remember anything about them?
Wizards: completely embarrassing
Magic: what do they have to show for shaq and howard...a couple of finals appearances which actually puts them at the top of list...but...what is left in the cupboard now...not much...unless you're a big baby fan...
Charlotte: MJ...wow
Spurs: class
Memphis: surprisingly well especially for expansion team
Hou: maybe they get something started with harden and lin...who knows
Dallas: dirk is 35...ouch
NO: stern at his best
OKC: the gold standard of rebuilding...went to finals in durant's 5th yr
Denver: nice team but will be stuck in the middle of the pack
Utah: what happened after stockton and malone...williams and boozer are now gone...with big al soon to follow,,,
Portland: the most cursed team in nba history with injuries
Minny: minny has never been the same since kg left...yeah, love and rubio...if they can stay healthy
Clippers: relevant for the 1st time...ever...
Warriors: not much since mullins, hardaway and richmond but they have the 49's
Lakers: gotta give them props for the banners but their time is coming to an end very soon
Kings: what has happened since cwebb, vlade, peja, bibby...nothing
Suns: we loved you with nash...where are grant hill, amare, joe johnson, marion...gone

i give credit to the spurs and lakers for staying at the top

i only give props to one team for rebuilding, that is, okc

most teams failed to rebuild...miserably...

with a few lucky teams stuck in middle seed purgatory...

this talk of rebuilding now is delusional thinking...a byproduct of 21st century thinking, that is, i need and want it now and i refuse to be patient...

do you really think bledose and jordan are franchise players?

heck, most people call smith a borderline all-star and he wants max money...

you can re-build in a couple of years when kg and the capt retire...

our best and only shot is with kg and the capt

for now...enjoy the ride...and yes...we have a chance to win it all this year...






« Last Edit: February 19, 2013, 08:03:38 PM by rutzan »

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2013, 07:59:47 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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Somebody basically made this THREAD* a couple days ago.


*I had trades on the brain.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2013, 12:52:37 AM by PhoSita »
Quote from: BBallTim
Parker isn't going to score 30 ppg and rebuilds generally take longer than 1 year. Relax.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2013, 08:03:32 PM »

Offline Celtics4ever

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Da has a record of getting assets and improving the team prior to 2008 season.  That kinds of makes your myth a fact.  He has done it before once, can he do it again?

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2013, 08:05:14 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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Da has a record of getting assets and improving the team prior to 2008 season.  That kinds of makes your myth a fact.  He has done it before once, can he do it again?

That's a good point; rebuilding only took Danny 4-5 years the last time around.
Quote from: BBallTim
Parker isn't going to score 30 ppg and rebuilds generally take longer than 1 year. Relax.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2013, 08:07:15 PM »

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sure he could do it again...i would love him to...but...bledsoe, jordan and smith can't hold kg's or ray allen's jockstraps...you don't give up kg and the capt for middle of the road players...ainge didn't just rebuild...he caught lightning in a bottle and got 2 HOF...bledsoe, jordan and smith will prob never sniff the hof...why rebuild with middle of the road players and get stuck in middle seed purgatory when you still have a chance with kg and the capt this year...you can always start your 4-5 yr rebuild in a couple of yrs......and...the new cba has changed things dramatically
« Last Edit: February 19, 2013, 08:12:46 PM by rutzan »

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2013, 08:31:02 PM »

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Let's put the Rebuilding Myth to rest once and for all:

Knicks: relevant for the 1st time since ewing left in 2000
Nets: somewhat relevant for the 1st time since NBA Finals in 2003
Sixers: ask philly fans how it's been going since AI left in 2006
Raptors: tried to build around tmac, carter, bosh and now bargani...that's turned out real well...
Pacers: ask indy fans how its' been since miller left in 2005...oh, that's right...the malice in the palace team...
Bulls: remember when they tried to build around brand, chandler, tyrus thomas...now boozer and noah...oh yeah...this is year 5 of the rose era
Bucks: really not much to say is there?
Detroit: villanueva and gordon turned out real well, didn't they?
Cle: couldn't win with the king...irving is a great player in yr 2 but prob won't make any noise unless the king comes back
Cheat: enough said
Hawks: nice teams but can you really remember anything about them?
Wizards: completely embarrassing
Magic: what do they have to show for shaq and howard...a couple of finals appearances which actually puts them at the top of list...but...what is left in the cupboard now...not much...unless you're a big baby fan...
Charlotte: MJ...wow
Spurs: class
Memphis: surprisingly well especially for expansion team
Hou: maybe they get something started with harden and lin...who knows
Dallas: dirk is 35...ouch
NO: stern at his best
OKC: the gold standard of rebuilding...went to finals in durant's 5th yr
Denver: nice team but will be stuck in the middle of the pack
Utah: what happened after stockton and malone...williams and boozer are now gone...with big al soon to follow,,,
Portland: the most cursed team in nba history with injuries
Minny: minny has never been the same since kg left...yeah, love and rubio...if they can stay healthy
Clippers: relevant for the 1st time...ever...
Warriors: not much since mullins, hardaway and richmond but they have the 49's
Lakers: gotta give them props for the banners but their time is coming to an end very soon
Kings: what has happened since cwebb, vlade, peja, bibby...nothing
Suns: we loved you with nash...where are grant hill, amare, joe johnson, marion...gone

i give credit to the spurs and lakers for staying at the top

i only give props to one team for rebuilding, that is, okc

most teams failed to rebuild...miserably...

with a few lucky teams stuck in middle seed purgatory...

this talk of rebuilding now is delusional thinking...a byproduct of 21st century thinking, that is, i need and want it now and i refuse to be patient...

do you really think bledose and jordan are franchise players?

heck, most people call smith a borderline all-star and he wants max money...

you can re-build in a couple of years when kg and the capt retire...

our best and only shot is with kg and the capt

for now...enjoy the ride...and yes...we have a chance to win it all this year...

Wish I can give you 10 TPs
Its the era of microwave thinking. No one ever sees the big picture. Patience isn't valued

Pierce and KG are doing well this season. Whats wrong with just adding a center who can score and rebound?

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2013, 08:37:12 PM »

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It's funny how so many fans want us to forego trading KG and PP for good young players with potential and/or picks and say just wait til they retire and then start rebuilding---but with what?? Then you get no players or picks, and then have to wait an ADDITIONAL YEAR being bad to get a chance at a lottery pick. So then it's three years to BEGIN rebuilding, all the while til then having no chance at a title!
Let all these same fans put some rebuilding plan out there that they would do a couple of years from now when KG and Paul would retire! Nothing to trade, no lottery picks, and cap room to spend---but what star/s want to come to a team in total rebuild mode? Lets hear these plans!
Me, I get valuable trade chips and start collecting assets now. Then Danny can pounce when an opportunity arises like it did with Ray and KG. Be ready.
But I'm definitely willing to listen to a well laid out plan, if somebody has one, with some specific ideas.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2013, 08:49:24 PM »

Offline jdz101

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It's funny how so many fans want us to forego trading KG and PP for good young players with potential and/or picks and say just wait til they retire and then start rebuilding---but with what?? Then you get no players or picks, and then have to wait an ADDITIONAL YEAR being bad to get a chance at a lottery pick. So then it's three years to BEGIN rebuilding, all the while til then having no chance at a title!
Let all these same fans put some rebuilding plan out there that they would do a couple of years from now when KG and Paul would retire! Nothing to trade, no lottery picks, and cap room to spend---but what star/s want to come to a team in total rebuild mode? Lets hear these plans!
Me, I get valuable trade chips and start collecting assets now. Then Danny can pounce when an opportunity arises like it did with Ray and KG. Be ready.
But I'm definitely willing to listen to a well laid out plan, if somebody has one, with some specific ideas.

Explain to me how Deandre Jordan is a valuable asset to move in a rebuild to get us back to a championship.

Noone has yet.

Bledsoe was never included in a deal for KG by clippers management.


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Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2013, 12:14:58 AM »

Offline OhioGreen

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It's funny how so many fans want us to forego trading KG and PP for good young players with potential and/or picks and say just wait til they retire and then start rebuilding---but with what?? Then you get no players or picks, and then have to wait an ADDITIONAL YEAR being bad to get a chance at a lottery pick. So then it's three years to BEGIN rebuilding, all the while til then having no chance at a title!
Let all these same fans put some rebuilding plan out there that they would do a couple of years from now when KG and Paul would retire! Nothing to trade, no lottery picks, and cap room to spend---but what star/s want to come to a team in total rebuild mode? Lets hear these plans!
Me, I get valuable trade chips and start collecting assets now. Then Danny can pounce when an opportunity arises like it did with Ray and KG. Be ready.
But I'm definitely willing to listen to a well laid out plan, if somebody has one, with some specific ideas.

Explain to me how Deandre Jordan is a valuable asset to move in a rebuild to get us back to a championship.

Noone has yet.

Bledsoe was never included in a deal for KG by clippers management.
Well,let me see. He's only 24 and already a starting C on one of the best teams in the NBA. If you can't understand how he would be a valuable asset/trade chip to any team I'm not sure how else to say it!

And Bledsoe has been reported by nearly every NBA source/insider as the main player in the KG deal, with them trying NOT to include Jordan. If you have better inside info yourself, please share it with us, as we're definitely interested to know the REAL scoop!!!!

And I'm still waiting for a/the plan.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2013, 12:43:55 AM »

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It's funny how so many fans want us to forego trading KG and PP for good young players with potential and/or picks and say just wait til they retire and then start rebuilding---but with what?? Then you get no players or picks, and then have to wait an ADDITIONAL YEAR being bad to get a chance at a lottery pick. So then it's three years to BEGIN rebuilding, all the while til then having no chance at a title!
Let all these same fans put some rebuilding plan out there that they would do a couple of years from now when KG and Paul would retire! Nothing to trade, no lottery picks, and cap room to spend---but what star/s want to come to a team in total rebuild mode? Lets hear these plans!
Me, I get valuable trade chips and start collecting assets now. Then Danny can pounce when an opportunity arises like it did with Ray and KG. Be ready.
But I'm definitely willing to listen to a well laid out plan, if somebody has one, with some specific ideas.

Explain to me how Deandre Jordan is a valuable asset to move in a rebuild to get us back to a championship.

Noone has yet.

Bledsoe was never included in a deal for KG by clippers management.
Well,let me see. He's only 24 and already a starting C on one of the best teams in the NBA. If you can't understand how he would be a valuable asset/trade chip to any team I'm not sure how else to say it!

And Bledsoe has been reported by nearly every NBA source/insider as the main player in the KG deal, with them trying NOT to include Jordan. If you have better inside info yourself, please share it with us, as we're definitely interested to know the REAL scoop!!!!

And I'm still waiting for a/the plan.

Yeah, this really is a frustrating position to be in. In fact, its the worst position to be in.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 12:52:19 AM »

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Let's put the Rebuilding Myth to rest once and for all:

Knicks: relevant for the 1st time since ewing left in 2000
Nets: somewhat relevant for the 1st time since NBA Finals in 2003
Sixers: ask philly fans how it's been going since AI left in 2006
Raptors: tried to build around tmac, carter, bosh and now bargani...that's turned out real well...
Pacers: ask indy fans how its' been since miller left in 2005...oh, that's right...the malice in the palace team...
Bulls: remember when they tried to build around brand, chandler, tyrus thomas...now boozer and noah...oh yeah...this is year 5 of the rose era
Bucks: really not much to say is there?
Detroit: villanueva and gordon turned out real well, didn't they?
Cle: couldn't win with the king...irving is a great player in yr 2 but prob won't make any noise unless the king comes back
Cheat: enough said
Hawks: nice teams but can you really remember anything about them?
Wizards: completely embarrassing
Magic: what do they have to show for shaq and howard...a couple of finals appearances which actually puts them at the top of list...but...what is left in the cupboard now...not much...unless you're a big baby fan...
Charlotte: MJ...wow
Spurs: class
Memphis: surprisingly well especially for expansion team
Hou: maybe they get something started with harden and lin...who knows
Dallas: dirk is 35...ouch
NO: stern at his best
OKC: the gold standard of rebuilding...went to finals in durant's 5th yr
Denver: nice team but will be stuck in the middle of the pack
Utah: what happened after stockton and malone...williams and boozer are now gone...with big al soon to follow,,,
Portland: the most cursed team in nba history with injuries
Minny: minny has never been the same since kg left...yeah, love and rubio...if they can stay healthy
Clippers: relevant for the 1st time...ever...
Warriors: not much since mullins, hardaway and richmond but they have the 49's
Lakers: gotta give them props for the banners but their time is coming to an end very soon
Kings: what has happened since cwebb, vlade, peja, bibby...nothing
Suns: we loved you with nash...where are grant hill, amare, joe johnson, marion...gone

i give credit to the spurs and lakers for staying at the top

i only give props to one team for rebuilding, that is, okc

most teams failed to rebuild...miserably...

with a few lucky teams stuck in middle seed purgatory...

this talk of rebuilding now is delusional thinking...a byproduct of 21st century thinking, that is, i need and want it now and i refuse to be patient...

do you really think bledose and jordan are franchise players?

heck, most people call smith a borderline all-star and he wants max money...

you can re-build in a couple of years when kg and the capt retire...

our best and only shot is with kg and the capt

for now...enjoy the ride...and yes...we have a chance to win it all this year...

You're saying:

The bulls aren't in a good position right now?
Which era of dominance are the bucks rebuilding from?
Again, what are the hawks "rebuilding" from ?
Acknowledging that the Clippers have done well rebuilding

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Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 01:21:21 AM »

Offline tarheelsxxiii

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Da has a record of getting assets and improving the team prior to 2008 season.  That kinds of makes your myth a fact.  He has done it before once, can he do it again?

That's a good point; rebuilding only took Danny 4-5 years the last time around.

To add on to the fact, DA was handed Garnett... which is essentially the "rebuild" we're discussing.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2013, 02:35:18 AM »

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deandre jordan has virtually no upside left.... an asset needs room to grow...

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2013, 03:04:12 AM »

Offline PhoSita

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Da has a record of getting assets and improving the team prior to 2008 season.  That kinds of makes your myth a fact.  He has done it before once, can he do it again?

That's a good point; rebuilding only took Danny 4-5 years the last time around.

To add on to the fact, DA was handed Garnett... which is essentially the "rebuild" we're discussing.

if by "handed" you mean "traded in exchange for a number of carefully accumulated assets," then yes.
Quote from: BBallTim
Parker isn't going to score 30 ppg and rebuilds generally take longer than 1 year. Relax.

Re: The Rebuilding Myth
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2013, 06:02:22 AM »

Offline Celtics4ever

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Some teams reload every year in sports.   The Pats and Steelers rarely have had bad years lately.   The same can be said for the Lakers, they are usually relevent in the NBA but these teams draft well and make a move when necessary.   You can't be good every year but these teams are good 70-80% of the time, year after year.

So we were handed KG, the Lakers were handed Gasol, we were handed Chief and McHale back in the day.   It happens all the time and is part of the rebuild.   In sports, a team and it's assets are soon parted by a shrewd GM.   There are always some teams that deal bad like the Clippers although they have done well in recent years.

But as you can see team's rebuild all the time.   College coaches do it year in and year out.   Calipari brings in guys every year.   The yankess reload and rebuild all the time.

 

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