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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2013, 10:24:32 PM »
I will say if this is the blow up plan and we end up looking like this.

Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green
Smith
Jordan

That is a crazy defensive/athletic team.

This is a borderline playoff time at best.  If the team gets broken up, I'd rather it be to get into the lottery.  This team is probably a little better than lottery material, and very far from being a contender.


Not saying they would be contenders at all. Would be very fun to watch and again a very good defensive team. Also you have plenty of pieces to move during the summer. You would have Rondo,Bradley,Jordan,Green, and Bradley who could all get you good talent in return.



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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2013, 10:30:01 PM »
I will say if this is the blow up plan and we end up looking like this.

Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green
Smith
Jordan

That is a crazy defensive/athletic team.

This is a borderline playoff time at best.  If the team gets broken up, I'd rather it be to get into the lottery.  This team is probably a little better than lottery material, and very far from being a contender.

Add Rondo to that team.  I feel that we can get that team without giving up Rondo if we choose to:

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2013, 10:32:34 PM »
From my understanding the sign and trade is a thing of the past.

Not a thing of the past, but something that a team way over the cap can't do.

On both ends? So Boston being over the cap in this scenario couldn't receive Smith from an under the cap ATL?
you can't be a tax team and you can't over the apron as a result of sign and trade.

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2013, 10:34:01 PM »
From my understanding the sign and trade is a thing of the past.

Not a thing of the past, but something that a team way over the cap can't do.

On both ends? So Boston being over the cap in this scenario couldn't receive Smith from an under the cap ATL?
you can't be a tax team and you can't over the apron as a result of sign and trade.

So if you're already over prior to the S&T your ok then.

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2013, 10:51:46 PM »
From my understanding the sign and trade is a thing of the past.

Not a thing of the past, but something that a team way over the cap can't do.

On both ends? So Boston being over the cap in this scenario couldn't receive Smith from an under the cap ATL?
you can't be a tax team and you can't over the apron as a result of sign and trade.

So if you're already over prior to the S&T your ok then.

No, if you're over the apron prior to the S&T, you can't receive the player being signed and traded unless the deal brings you under the apron.

Which basically means that the Lakers couldn't do a double sign-and-trade of Howard for Smith or any other free agent who will command a big contract.
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2013, 10:56:45 PM »
Trade Pierce for Smith with the wink wink, behind closed doors idea that Atlanta won't be picking up his last year, he will be paid his $5 million and then can return for the MLE here next year.

It's a partially guaranteed final year, not a team option.  If Pierce is traded then waived, he can't return to the Celtics for a year after the trade.
I have seen it listed as a player option. If it is and decides not to take the option, then he is free to sign where ever he wants.
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2013, 10:58:48 PM »
I will say if this is the blow up plan and we end up looking like this.

Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green
Smith
Jordan

That is a crazy defensive/athletic team.

This is a borderline playoff time at best.  If the team gets broken up, I'd rather it be to get into the lottery.  This team is probably a little better than lottery material, and very far from being a contender.

I think DA isn't that hip on lottery luck. He has a blue print now for how to win a title. Develop young talent and turn into three of the games best players and good complimentary role players.

For the next 2-3 years it's going to be all about LeBron in the East. He' reached the peak of his powers and he will remain there until at least 32. Now that he has a taste for winning and an understanding of what it takes it's going to be almost impossible to beat him when he and his team are healthy.

If Ainge get's young guys along with Smith and Rondo then in 2 years Smith and Rondo will still be on the right side of 30. Hope to flip these young guys into a disgruntled Super Star and make a run.

Smith would be of the Ray Allen caliber, Rondo of the Pierce caliber, and you hope to acquire a guy of the Kg caliber. Then maybe you can go head to head with this guy for 4 out of 7.

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2013, 11:15:07 PM »
Trade Pierce for Smith with the wink wink, behind closed doors idea that Atlanta won't be picking up his last year, he will be paid his $5 million and then can return for the MLE here next year.

It's a partially guaranteed final year, not a team option.  If Pierce is traded then waived, he can't return to the Celtics for a year after the trade.
I have seen it listed as a player option. If it is and decides not to take the option, then he is free to sign where ever he wants.

No, it's a partially guaranteed year.

Forgot about that new rule.
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2013, 11:40:33 PM »
This sucks because it means Ferry isn't willing to take back Bass and Lee with Sully, Melo + picks for Smith. 
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2013, 11:45:31 PM »
Trade Pierce for Smith with the wink wink, behind closed doors idea that Atlanta won't be picking up his last year, he will be paid his $5 million and then can return for the MLE here next year.

It's a partially guaranteed final year, not a team option.  If Pierce is traded then waived, he can't return to the Celtics for a year after the trade.
I have seen it listed as a player option. If it is and decides not to take the option, then he is free to sign where ever he wants.

No, it's a partially guaranteed year.

Forgot about that new rule.
Oh okay. I was under the impression it was a player option. Oh well.
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2013, 11:50:04 PM »
This sucks because it means Ferry isn't willing to take back Bass and Lee with Sully, Melo + picks for Smith.

They probably wouldn't take that package, but I don't think Stein knows what he is talking about. Why would they want Pierce? Pierce, Sully, pick? I don't see what package with Pierce makes sense for a team like Atlanta.

Warriors and Clippers I could see, Denver mayyyybe. No other teams will give up good assets for Pierce.
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2013, 11:53:27 PM »
This sucks because it means Ferry isn't willing to take back Bass and Lee with Sully, Melo + picks for Smith.

They probably wouldn't take that package, but I don't think Stein knows what he is talking about. Why would they want Pierce? Pierce, Sully, pick? I don't see what package with Pierce makes sense for a team like Atlanta.

Warriors and Clippers I could see, Denver mayyyybe. No other teams will give up good assets for Pierce.

It would be to add a young cheap contract in Sully with pierce as possible cap relief I believe

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2013, 12:28:25 AM »
This sucks because it means Ferry isn't willing to take back Bass and Lee with Sully, Melo + picks for Smith.

They probably wouldn't take that package, but I don't think Stein knows what he is talking about. Why would they want Pierce? Pierce, Sully, pick? I don't see what package with Pierce makes sense for a team like Atlanta.

Warriors and Clippers I could see, Denver mayyyybe. No other teams will give up good assets for Pierce.

It would be to add a young cheap contract in Sully with pierce as possible cap relief I believe

Pretty much.  Atlanta wants to keep their salary cap as flexible as possible in trading Smith.  Since Pierce is only partially guaranteed for next year, that has value, as opposed to taking on several multi-year contracts. 

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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2013, 12:29:28 AM »
The only reason ATl wants to trade with Boston is Pierce...
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Re: Marc Stein "Boston exploring Josh Smith options"
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2013, 12:36:23 AM »
This sucks because it means Ferry isn't willing to take back Bass and Lee with Sully, Melo + picks for Smith.

They probably wouldn't take that package, but I don't think Stein knows what he is talking about. Why would they want Pierce? Pierce, Sully, pick? I don't see what package with Pierce makes sense for a team like Atlanta.

Warriors and Clippers I could see, Denver mayyyybe. No other teams will give up good assets for Pierce.

As scotthow has said above, they take Pierce and an assett because it gives them immediate cap relief.  So Pierce, Sully, Melo and a first.
I do feel that this deal hinges on two things that are being overlooked...
1) how greedy Ferry wants to get
2)how insistent Smith is that he goes to Boston

I also would love doing this deal as someone suggested with the wink wink notion that the Hawks dump Pierces option and he can re sign with us for cheaper next year.
Not sure how legal/possible this is and would love for someone to confirm...
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