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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2013, 02:55:04 PM »

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And what exactly are we going to get for them?

Pierce is only attractive to a contender and that means we wont get high draft picks and/or expirings for him. So is KG.

Pierce's contract is theoretically attractive to a team in salary cap hell due to its partially-guaranteed final year.  Find a team willing to part with a nice draft pick to be packaged with a long-term contract they are desperate to get rid of.
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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2013, 02:55:29 PM »

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The op is dead wrong. This is not a team of Bird, Parish, Mchale and a bunch of nobodies.

Even without KG and PP , this team could still contend for the 6th to 8th place and make the playoffs. That is like being one big or two more key pieces away from having a chance to make some noise.

Without KG and PP

Starting: Sully - Bass - Green - Bradley - Rondo
Bench: Lee- Melo - Jet - Barbosa - 2 Forward pickups

Again this would be still a very good team. If you take away bass , place him on the bench and get an elite PF/Sf, you got a very good team that is not rebuild quality.

With all due respect, I've got to disagree. I just don't think a team of Sully, Rondo, Green, Bass and AB is that good.

If you insert a player like Dwight or Smoove into that mix, then maybe. But if you just simply subtract KG and Pierce from our roster, then all you have is one talented but overrated point guard a bunch of decent role players. That team wins maybe 40 games and that's it

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2013, 02:57:34 PM »

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don't believe the rumors... at their age, we can't get anything of substantial value for KG or Pierce... and neither would sign off on a trade anyways.

Just enjoy the last months of these old dogs and hope for the best.

I know you're all salivating over the prospect of losing one of our best players for the great eric bledsoe, but if tanking is your grand plan, you're better off just letting them retire and coming up empty handed. 

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2013, 03:01:01 PM »

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The winning streak now is fools gold.

Look at the schedule, and you will see why.

Large number of home games in a row.  That will change.  This team is a 500, low play off seed.  I would predict one and done.  Though they might surprise as they have before.


Even so,  Can anyone really see a championship here?

What are so many waiting for?  Another loosing streak and everyone will change their tune.

Can you see a championship team from what we are getting for KG and Paul? Can you see a future championship team with DeAndre Jordan (who's owed a ton by the way), Eric Bledsoe (who needs to get paid too) and whatever we can get from Pierce (which is realistically speaking, not a lot)?

If anything we have a much better puncher's chance of winning the title with them than with whoever they will get traded for.

KG will not get traded unless it's for a contender, and most contenders don't have a ton of assets that would be able to help us in the future. Pierce has little value to rebuilding teams, so we're back to the no assets return.

So tell me, would you rather have a team who makes the playoffs for 5 straight years, overpay it's players and lose in the 1st round all the time? Or just keep KG and Pierce, let them finish their contracts, have a puncher's chance of winning when Rondo is back and have a ton of cap flexibility in the next two years?

Also, like I said, if we're going to land a Superstar from them, then you have a point. My last question is, do you possibly think we can land that Superstar with KG and Paul? If you say yes, please explain it to us. And I will concede and rest my case.

Until then, IMO you are wrong on this.
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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2013, 03:03:21 PM »

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If we hold on to Pierce and KG we will be just fine in 2 or 3 years time.   With the assets we have to go in a couple different directions.   

Rondo, Green, Bass, and Lee will all be around 28 in their prime.   We could possibly add to that to be contenders with our cap space, and get a legit go to scorer star to go along with the younger players Bradley, Sully, maybe Melo, and the draft picks we get in the next couple years.

Or if continuing to be a playoff or deep playoff team is a stretch we could go into selloff mode.   Trade Rondo, Green, Bass, Lee, and whatever veterans we have for draft picks, young players, taking on dead weight contracts if need be such a Lenfrenz's and Ratliff's in years past.  Sully and Bradley will still be very young then, so you could keep them around to grow with other young players.

I'd much rather see KG and Pierce retire in green, then go into 1 of the 2 avenues mentioned above.   

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2013, 03:05:22 PM »

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And what exactly are we going to get for them?

Pierce is only attractive to a contender and that means we wont get high draft picks and/or expirings for him. So is KG.

Pierce's contract is theoretically attractive to a team in salary cap hell due to its partially-guaranteed final year.  Find a team willing to part with a nice draft pick to be packaged with a long-term contract they are desperate to get rid of.

So are we keeping that long term contract instead of keeping Pierce who will have one more year left? Because I'd rather keep Pierce and his production if that's the case.
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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2013, 03:05:28 PM »

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We absolutely should NOT trade Kevin Garnett OR Paul Pierce....or Rajon Rondo, for that matter.

The Boston Celtics are NOT like most sports franchises...there is a TON of tradition, here...legends....traditions and legends that are household names to THIS DAY:

Cousy...Russell...Havlicek...Cowens...McHale...Chief...Larry...DJ...Ainge.....

Fast-Forward to now? The ONLY 2 or perhaps 3 players that carry on Boston's storied history are: KG, Paul Pierce, and Rajon Rondo. These three, to me, embody what the Boston Celtics are.

These three now carry on that tradition.

To trade ANY ONE of these three, IMHO, will start to shatter those traditions...that aura of The Celtics.

You don't take the heart out of a team and give it to another team....that is NOT what the Boston Celtics are about....at least the way I've known them.

We trade these two or three, for whatever reason, and we become just like every other franchise out there.

We don't see the San Antonio Spurs talking about trading Tim Duncan, do we? Do a search on Tim Duncan Trade Rumors - you won't find NOT A ONE.

So why trade away the three players that have, IMO, exemplified what it means to be a Boston Celtic?

Danny - don't trade these three...I believe there is still some considerable talent left, and a decent shot at going deep into the playoffs this year...please let KG and Paul retire as Celtics, and just rebuild this team through free agency or the draft.

Don't let The Boston Celtics become like other franchises out there...grasping for straws. There is TOO MUCH tradition, here.

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2013, 03:11:27 PM »

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And what exactly are we going to get for them?

Pierce is only attractive to a contender and that means we wont get high draft picks and/or expirings for him. So is KG.

Pierce's contract is theoretically attractive to a team in salary cap hell due to its partially-guaranteed final year.  Find a team willing to part with a nice draft pick to be packaged with a long-term contract they are desperate to get rid of.

So are we keeping that long term contract instead of keeping Pierce who will have one more year left? Because I'd rather keep Pierce and his production if that's the case.

I'm opposed to trading Pierce.  I'd only consider it if I thought the team was bad enough that I wouldn't mind having that toxic contract because the team can't possibly be a contender anyways before that contract is over.  I'm just pointing out that you're wrong if you think Pierce is only attractive to a contender.  Some people here would probably want to pounce immediately, though, if you could trade Pierce for whatever they consider the worst contract in the NBA plus a likely top 3 first-round pick.
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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2013, 03:17:29 PM »

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Funny, hanging onto Bird and McHale was one of the last true examples of loyalty and old-school team pride that I remember in this league, and it was absolutely the right thing to do, as keeping Paul and KG would be, and letting them retire in green. Robert Parish did not end his career as a Celtic, so I'm not sure why he's being included here.

There is still much to be said for team loyalty, IMHO, and for letting guys who have brought us so much pleasure and excitement and playoff successes, end their careers in the cities that they have done so much for, and where the fans adore them and care a bit more for tradition than they do for the bottom line.
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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2013, 03:19:02 PM »

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don't believe the rumors... at their age, we can't get anything of substantial value for KG or Pierce... and neither would sign off on a trade anyways.

Just enjoy the last months of these old dogs and hope for the best.


  If they don't get traded I wouldn't say that their leaving at the end of the season is a done deal.

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2013, 03:21:20 PM »

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We absolutely should NOT trade Kevin Garnett OR Paul Pierce....or Rajon Rondo, for that matter.

The Boston Celtics are NOT like most sports franchises...there is a TON of tradition, here...legends....traditions and legends that are household names to THIS DAY:

Cousy...Russell...Havlicek...Cowens...McHale...Chief...Larry...DJ...Ainge.....

Fast-Forward to now? The ONLY 2 or perhaps 3 players that carry on Boston's storied history are: KG, Paul Pierce, and Rajon Rondo. These three, to me, embody what the Boston Celtics are.

These three now carry on that tradition.

To trade ANY ONE of these three, IMHO, will start to shatter those traditions...that aura of The Celtics.

You don't take the heart out of a team and give it to another team....that is NOT what the Boston Celtics are about....at least the way I've known them.

We trade these two or three, for whatever reason, and we become just like every other franchise out there.

We don't see the San Antonio Spurs talking about trading Tim Duncan, do we? Do a search on Tim Duncan Trade Rumors - you won't find NOT A ONE.

So why trade away the three players that have, IMO, exemplified what it means to be a Boston Celtic?

Danny - don't trade these three...I believe there is still some considerable talent left, and a decent shot at going deep into the playoffs this year...please let KG and Paul retire as Celtics, and just rebuild this team through free agency or the draft.

Don't let The Boston Celtics become like other franchises out there...grasping for straws. There is TOO MUCH tradition, here.

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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2013, 03:29:43 PM »

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Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Peirce!!!!!
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2013, 03:49:01 PM »

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I think far to many are to young on this board to remember how holding onto Bird, Parish, and Mchale set us back a generation.

Not true.

Len Bias and Reggie Lewis dying set us back a generation.  Terrible drafting and bad management coupled with terrible ownership set us back a generation.

It had nothing to do with not trading Larry and McHale for a bunch of decent / mediocre non-stars.
I agree with this generally.  Red couldn't have had a crystal ball to know what would happen with Bird's back. And I'm not sure how much he could have gotten for an older banged up guy.  The era of the super athletic dunker (Jordan) was rising and the era of fundamental guys like Bird was fading.

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2013, 03:49:48 PM »

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don't believe the rumors... at their age, we can't get anything of substantial value for KG or Pierce... and neither would sign off on a trade anyways.

Just enjoy the last months of these old dogs and hope for the best.

I know you're all salivating over the prospect of losing one of our best players for the great eric bledsoe, but if tanking is your grand plan, you're better off just letting them retire and coming up empty handed.

The response to this is easy.  If you are correct, then obviously you are best off keepign PP and KG and awaiting cap space.   If you aren't correct, you entertain the value offered and consider the jump-started rebuild.

I see both KG and PP as extremely attractive pieces to at least a 1/2 dozen contenders (or almost contenders).  They not only bring their talent, they bring a winning spirit and leadership.  Trade future value for present value (if present value takes you to contention) is smart business in the NBA.  But, of course, I could be wrong.

Re: We absolutely should trade KG and Pierce!!!!!
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2013, 04:03:44 PM »

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If the Celtics are given a great rebooting offer (the clippers rumor is not), then yes, the Celtics should trade them.



But since it is not likely to happen, keep them.

Agreed. You're better off holding onto them then trading them for mediocre young players/picks.

 

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