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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2013, 03:55:51 PM »

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He did use "I" sir

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Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard

I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans. 

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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2013, 03:56:43 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2013, 03:58:23 PM »

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He did use "I" sir

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Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard

I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.

Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2013, 04:00:12 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.

Completely agree with above.   This would be a heist of epic proportions (though depends somewhat on who goes with Rondo). 


I do think C's could conceivably get DH if the deal sends Rondo, Bradley, Green.  LA sends back DH and Blake.   A

DH/KG/PP/Lee/Blake Bench: Bass/Terry/Wilcox.  Doubt that beats Miami, but who wants to play against that lineup?.   

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2013, 04:02:11 PM »

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He did use "I" sir

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Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard

I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.

Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people

*palm face*...smh

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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2013, 04:09:20 PM »

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Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard

I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.

Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people

*palm face*...smh
I also assumed (and we know what that means) that the title meant we  (the fans).  If it was the Celtics organizaiton, shouldn't there be a link to a quote?
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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2013, 04:10:44 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".

I find that analogy so annoying, but I'll play along anyway. 

So, we're the "nerdy kid in chess club" and we already have a super hot girlfriend in Rondo.  However, now that we've been dating for awhile, we've seen her up close.  We've seen her without the idealized lighting and the makeup.  We've seen her when she's in a bad mood, when her hair's a mess, smelled her breath in the morning.  She's off the pedestal.

Our friends are now trying to convince us to dump her for this other idealized prom queen, flawless princess.  We had a good thing going with the first cheerleader.  We've had great times and we've clicked, but we can't leave well enough alone and are trying to upgrade to a better girlfriend.

We'll date her for a little while and find out she's not what our imagination thought she was either.  She's not the flawless, ideal, movie version of a princess (that girl doesn't exist).  To make matters worse, she'll just end up dumping us and leaving us heartbroken and alone.

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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2013, 04:32:59 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
Dwight is dealing with some injuries of his own and that team for whatever reason is dysfunctional.  But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.  And I'm not yet ruling out that the Lakers don't win a title this year if players get healthy and they find some chemistry.

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2013, 04:43:28 PM »

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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.

Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.


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Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2013, 04:46:24 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
Dwight is dealing with some injuries of his own and that team for whatever reason is dysfunctional.  But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.  And I'm not yet ruling out that the Lakers don't win a title this year if players get healthy and they find some chemistry.

Dwight Howard needs the right coach and environment for him to take the next step. He just doesn't realize it. Doc and KG would be great for him.

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2013, 04:49:50 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.

Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ.  As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2013, 04:50:35 PM »

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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.

Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27.  KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him.  And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now.  Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy.    Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year.  I mean seriously.

You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight.  It's a no brainer.   You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though. 

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2013, 04:55:53 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.

Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ.  As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.

I see no star players in that list. Howard carried that Magic team for years. That Arenas trade killed them.

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2013, 04:58:56 PM »

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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game? 

That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time.  In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards.  Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster. 

NOt going to happen.  It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game?   ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be  pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.

Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ.  As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.

I see no star players in that list. Howard carried that Magic team for years. That Arenas trade killed them.

Sorry... I forgot about the hall-of-fame "Big 3" that carried Dwight to the finals... Rashard, Jameer and Hedo. 

Lol

Re: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 05:01:17 PM »

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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.

Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27.  KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him.  And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now.  Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy.    Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year.  I mean seriously.

You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight.  It's a no brainer.   You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though.

Dwight Howard has had a stellar career so far, but his back issues and his attitude issues are both major red flags.  Kevin Garnett didn't have those issues when we traded big Al et. al. for him back in 2007.

Also, Jefferson wasn't already a top 15 player in the league back then.  He was rather someone who had the potential to become one.  There's a big difference. 

I don't think it's an apt comparison at all.  That trade worked out in our favor.  To use that as evidence that a Rondo for Howard trade would work out as well doesn't really hold any logical water. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson