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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 11:28:06 AM » |
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Looking at some of the responses, I guess the question is...what IS an elite defender?
I really think there are only 2 or 3 true, lockdown defenders in the NBA, if that. So, if that is the criteria, then its tough to manage.
Personally I would classify an elite defender as a top 10 defender in the league overall, and someone who can actually influence the outcome of the game with their defense.
Guys I would put in this category are:
Lebron Tony Allen Avery Bradley Tyson Chandler Kevin Garnett Luol Deng Josh Smith
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 11:46:12 AM » |
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Looking at some of the responses, I guess the question is...what IS an elite defender?
I really think there are only 2 or 3 true, lockdown defenders in the NBA, if that. So, if that is the criteria, then its tough to manage.
Personally I would classify an elite defender as a top 10 defender in the league overall, and someone who can actually influence the outcome of the game with their defense.
Guys I would put in this category are:
Lebron Tony Allen Avery Bradley Tyson Chandler Kevin Garnett Luol Deng Josh Smith
Right. Sefolosha and Mbah a Moute are also very good defenders. I'd say Ibaka belongs in the list as well. And if the Bobcats had any idea how to use the guy, Biyombo could be on the list easily. Both Bryant and Artest have fallen off, at this point.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2013, 12:52:23 PM » |
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and I would probably add Andre Igoudala
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2013, 01:24:39 PM » |
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Looking at some of the responses, I guess the question is...what IS an elite defender?
The narrow criteria that results in just a handful of names would be players who, given sufficient playing time and a national spotlight, should be considered for defensive player of the year, assuming no bias towards big men. A wider criteria might be players who should legitimately be considered if the All-Star teams were selected solely on defensive ability, without regard for offensive ability.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2013, 01:30:58 PM » |
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Looking at some of the responses, I guess the question is...what IS an elite defender?
I really think there are only 2 or 3 true, lockdown defenders in the NBA, if that. So, if that is the criteria, then its tough to manage.
Personally I would classify an elite defender as a top 10 defender in the league overall, and someone who can actually influence the outcome of the game with their defense.
Guys I would put in this category are:
Lebron Tony Allen Avery Bradley Tyson Chandler Kevin Garnett Luol Deng Josh Smith
Which further illustrates my point, with Smith we would have 3 of the top 10 defenders in the league. For that reason alone, Danny should be trying to get him.
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2013, 02:04:54 PM » |
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Looking at some of the responses, I guess the question is...what IS an elite defender?
I really think there are only 2 or 3 true, lockdown defenders in the NBA, if that. So, if that is the criteria, then its tough to manage.
Personally I would classify an elite defender as a top 10 defender in the league overall, and someone who can actually influence the outcome of the game with their defense.
Guys I would put in this category are:
Lebron Tony Allen Avery Bradley Tyson Chandler Kevin Garnett Luol Deng Josh Smith
I agree with all of what you said...but I personally have never watched the hawks and thought "oh gee they won that game because of josh smiths defense" I have thought that about the rest of your list though
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2013, 02:09:24 PM » |
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I know he's having a down year, but I think it is illogical not to have Dwight Howard listed somewhere.
For what it's worth, Josh Smith only has one Defensive team appearance (on the second team). I'd put him a notch below all of the people listed above and several notches below Dwight.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 02:39:42 PM » |
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For what it's worth, Josh Smith only has one Defensive team appearance (on the second team).
The same can be said for Luol Deng. Is it reasonable to put Smith on roughly the same level as Deng?
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2013, 02:50:11 PM » |
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very Good defender, with the tools to become an elite defender.
Yeah, I would say the same. I have Josh Smith as probably the third best defensive PF in the league behind Serge Ibaka and Taj Gibson. Varejao would be above all three of them if he was still playing PF.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2013, 03:15:59 PM » |
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I know he's having a down year, but I think it is illogical not to have Dwight Howard listed somewhere. Yeah that omission is silly. DH12 is definitely an elite defender in the NBA. 5 months of play on a miserable defensive team with no coach isn't going to change my mind about that just yet.
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2013, 03:20:26 PM » |
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I know he's having a down year, but I think it is illogical not to have Dwight Howard listed somewhere. Yeah that omission is silly. DH12 is definitely an elite defender in the NBA. 5 months of play on a miserable defensive team with no coach isn't going to change my mind about that just yet.
How could you even think of omitting DH12? O_o
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2013, 03:27:02 PM » |
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I know he's having a down year, but I think it is illogical not to have Dwight Howard listed somewhere. Yeah that omission is silly. DH12 is definitely an elite defender in the NBA. 5 months of play on a miserable defensive team with no coach isn't going to change my mind about that just yet.
How could you even think of omitting DH12? O_o
Tim Duncan is another player worth mention. He leads the league in D Rating and is having a pretty impressive resurgent year on both offense and defense.
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2013, 03:31:03 PM » |
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Josh Smith has the tools but he doesn't always play that way.
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2013, 03:44:41 PM » |
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I mean we have to see the difference:
great defender Vs great rebounder
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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2013, 03:19:28 PM » |
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Wow! I must be really missing something here. How can a knucklehead like Smith who may have outstanding athleticism contribute to a team defense concept that has taken many players more than a half season to master. Just because Smith can block shots does not make him a great team defender.
Smith and Rondo both are great athletes that can play good defense if they want to; but they often just don't. To call Smith an elite defender when he has shown such a clear lack of discipline this season is a stretch. Kind of like saying Rondo is an elite defender.
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