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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2013, 09:03:26 PM » |
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Short answer: yes.
Josh Smith is one of those that thrives in the right environment (cough... celtic green). Worth a max deal, and he's a freak. And he's huge. Why not?
I know that everyone is essentially a lose until they win, but I really believe Josh Smith is never going to be a key ingredient to a top tier team.
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2013, 09:19:50 PM » |
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I think RR and Smith could be great parts of a championship team, but I agree with other posters in that we need a go-to stud scorer and another playoff caliber quality big to go with them.
I think with one other star level player (preferably a big) they could def be a solid playoff team. A team good enough to contend for a ring? depends on who the other players are.
Rondo and Smith and garbage in the rest of the team is not a playoff team in my opinion. Rondo is my fav player, but you need more than him and Smith.
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2013, 09:25:50 PM » |
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Two stubborn guys who can't shoot and think they are superstars? Yep, sounds like a recipe for disaster. Their teammates would hate them and no decent player would ever want to come here and play with them.
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2013, 09:46:50 PM » |
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Smith & horford AND Joe Johnson couldn't do much. We'd be awesome if we could replace bass with Smith in our current situation. Rondo & Smith just aren't good enough. I mean a starting 5 of Smith rondo, Green Bradley Gortat is good but do they challenge Miami and OKC? Perhaps, but they're a 60/40 underdog. We'd need green to become a 20/7/5 player full time and still we'd need more shooting at the perimeter to be a real threat. Perhaps Eric Gordon instead of Bradley...just need way more scoring punch with only rondo at point...guys who can ACtually convert rondos passes to points....
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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2013, 10:26:47 PM » |
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Smith & horford AND Joe Johnson couldn't do much. We'd be awesome if we could replace bass with Smith in our current situation. Rondo & Smith just aren't good enough. I mean a starting 5 of Smith rondo, Green Bradley Gortat is good but do they challenge Miami and OKC? Perhaps, but they're a 60/40 underdog. We'd need green to become a 20/7/5 player full time and still we'd need more shooting at the perimeter to be a real threat. Perhaps Eric Gordon instead of Bradley...just need way more scoring punch with only rondo at point...guys who can ACtually convert rondos passes to points....
I don't care who you have. When your offense is predicated on iso joe then your chances for success are limited.
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2013, 10:45:46 PM » |
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Smith & horford AND Joe Johnson couldn't do much. We'd be awesome if we could replace bass with Smith in our current situation. Rondo & Smith just aren't good enough. I mean a starting 5 of Smith rondo, Green Bradley Gortat is good but do they challenge Miami and OKC? Perhaps, but they're a 60/40 underdog. We'd need green to become a 20/7/5 player full time and still we'd need more shooting at the perimeter to be a real threat. Perhaps Eric Gordon instead of Bradley...just need way more scoring punch with only rondo at point...guys who can ACtually convert rondos passes to points....
20 from Green would be nice, I don't see why we'd need a ton of assists and rebounds from him with Rondo, Smith and a center on the team. In any case, if you get 20 from Green, close to that from Smith, 25 or so (combined) from Rondo and another guard and anything at all from your center that's plenty of scoring from your starters. Look at the Celts recently, it's been 19 or so from PP, 16 from Ray, 15 from KG and 11 or so from Rondo. It's not like you need 2-3 elite scorers to replace that.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2013, 11:17:04 PM » |
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Short answer: yes.
Josh Smith is one of those that thrives in the right environment (cough... celtic green). Worth a max deal, and he's a freak. And he's huge. Why not?
I know that everyone is essentially a lose until they win, but I really believe Josh Smith is never going to be a key ingredient to a top tier team.
Not as the leader or second option. But he could be the third best player on a championship team. Not worth a max contract though. And I don't think Rondo is either. If he hits free agency after this contract is up, I'd be shocked if some team other than us offered him a max deal. So investing ~$25-30M a year on these two would indeed be a bad idea.
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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2013, 03:12:00 AM » |
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Short answer: yes.
Josh Smith is one of those that thrives in the right environment (cough... celtic green). Worth a max deal, and he's a freak. And he's huge. Why not?
I know that everyone is essentially a lose until they win, but I really believe Josh Smith is never going to be a key ingredient to a top tier team.
Not as the leader or second option.
But he could be the third best player on a championship team.
Not worth a max contract though. And I don't think Rondo is either. If he hits free agency after this contract is up, I'd be shocked if some team other than us offered him a max deal.
So investing ~$25-30M a year on these two would indeed be a bad idea.
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2013, 03:22:19 AM » |
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All i want is when kg and pp retires, that that team carry on with the same mindset and the same pride that these guys were playing.
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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2013, 03:37:51 AM » |
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Is there any truth to this new rumor coming about that josh smiths primary destination he wants is the celtics?
So why not play out season and if kg does retire or pay cut or anything can they make it happen? Especially if pierce is only guarenteed 5 mil?
I really feel like ainge has something up his sleeve, I don't think kg mentioning last all star game is just coincidence? Part of trade n then retires cause he bleeds green? I'm sure many of you have this theory as well.
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2013, 02:30:35 PM » |
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this duo will win and consistently make the playoffs, around 4th seed maybe with the right mix of players. But it's just not a championship caliber core. Both are impact players and will do extremely well in the secondary star role, but both their games have enough flaws in them that they can't be "franchise players".
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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2013, 02:39:04 PM » |
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By popular consensus, this would be a playoff team that I'd go for. Having rondo green smith and bradley on the roster could potentially create an attractive destination for players looking for a ring. A discounted contract for smith would help the situation. I say we go for it.
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2013, 10:03:43 PM » |
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with rondo hogging the ball i don't think we can make to playoffs either
we got a good bench players since the start lee is disappointed barbosa wants release milicic has never been used terry is struggling
what makes you think him and rondo will do well hahahaha if pierce was injured who would you put in? smith at SF who is your pf? sully is traded green is traded bradley is traded also
i repeat danny ferry is not a ST*PID GM he knows what he is doing why take an aging pierce and kg, while we are in rebuild mode (RIGHT?) and why would danny ferry just let smith walked out of the team and not gain something, while brooklyn and suns can give a good players in return? (RIGHT?) just like letting go of amaire and tyson, without getting something in return, or bosh or lebron, without getting something (RIGHT?)
i will also repeat this, unless kg and pierce are retired traded or waived, that is the time you cam sign smith but kg and pierce will not retire 100% sure of that
so the only way to get smith is by blowing up the team and trading our 1st round picks and young assets
and josh smith is a weak side shot blocker... if you fans are thinking lebron vs smith 1 on 1? are you serious? lebron and smith 1on1?
i'd rather stick to jeff green or bring back tony allen 100% sure lebron will have a hard time attacking the basket
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2013, 10:14:27 PM » |
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Playoff team? Yes.
Championship Team? Who else is on the squad?
Green = Schrempf Bradley = Hawkins Sullinger = Sam Perkins Rondo = Payton Smith = Kemp
The 1995-96 Seattle SuperSonics were two wins away from World Title against the greatest player ever in Michael Jordan.
I'm as big of a Celtics homer as the next guy, but seriously, this comparison makes absolutely no sense. Payton at that point was at the top of his game and so was Kemp(they were complete players at that point). Those 2 were next to unstoppable together that year. Hawkins was coming off a year where he shot 44% from 3, Bradly is nowhere near the shooter he was, Perkins and Detlef were also very good 3 point shooters. All 5 listed players from that Sonics team could score. Big Jeff Green fan but he's nowhere near what Detlef was at that point.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2013, 10:16:06 PM » |
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Playoff team? Yes.
Championship Team? Who else is on the squad?
Green = Schrempf Bradley = Hawkins Sullinger = Sam Perkins Rondo = Payton Smith = Kemp
The 1995-96 Seattle SuperSonics were two wins away from World Title against the greatest player ever in Michael Jordan.
I'm as big of a Celtics homer as the next guy, but seriously, this comparison makes absolutely no sense. Payton at that point was at the top of his game and so was Kemp(they were complete players at that point). Those 2 were next to unstoppable together that year. Hawkins was coming off a year where he shot 44% from 3, Bradly is nowhere near the shooter he was, Perkins and Detlef were also very good 3 point shooters. All 5 listed players from that Sonics team could score. Big Jeff Green fan but he's nowhere near what Detlef was at that point. The Celtics team you list will be a solid team, but will be in that 4-7 range in the Eastern Conference....
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