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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2013, 11:30:33 PM »
I completely disagree.  I think Bradley and Green will fit very well with Rondo on the post Pierce and Garnett Celtics.  I envision a defensive minded, high turnover producing, up-tempo team.  Those three form a good base for such a team.  We'll just need to find some bigs who fit.
So you envision trading Rondo? Seems a bit contradictory.

The thing is, Rondo can do all of those things.  Rondo can be great at all of those things.

He just didn't do it this year. 
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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2013, 11:32:42 PM »
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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2013, 09:04:32 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2013, 09:12:32 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now. 
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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2013, 09:15:31 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.
Yeah while the Bradley/Lee pairing plays more consistent defense than Rondo has this season remember that him being out meant more minutes for Barbosa ( :'()/Terry.

Since January our defense has been very good.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2013, 09:19:31 AM »
I'm not interested in acquiring Jefferson. While perhaps this year it'd be a good fit going forward I don't like the idea of building around Jefferson. He's not a good fit with Sullinger as neither is very mobile big man.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2013, 09:23:15 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.
Yeah while the Bradley/Lee pairing plays more consistent defense than Rondo has this season remember that him being out meant more minutes for Barbosa ( :'()/Terry.

Since January our defense has been very good.

  They've recently updated the 82games numbers, but around the time Rondo went down (1/28 or so) the Celts less than 1 ppp better with him on the bench than with him on the court. Considering that Rondo had played just over 40% of his minutes with KG on the bench those numbers were pretty good. Rondo just wasn't the problem on defense that everyone claimed that he was.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2013, 09:25:10 AM »
Big Al is a big ole loser

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2013, 09:27:25 AM »
Just had to read the thread to see who proposed this ridiculous trade. Unbeleivable.

Only have to deal with Rondo trades for another few weeks...then its back to lurking for me.  I like Rondo's intensity, I just don't think he fits with Bradley and Green who as a pair are more important to the team than just Rondo. 


  If Bradley and Green are going to pair up to dominate playoff games (and series) like Rondo does we'll be in great shape when May/June roll around. The odds of it happening are pretty remote though.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2013, 09:31:57 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Jefferson ever winning a game 7 on his own, or dropping 44 against the heat. I'll keep rondo.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2013, 09:44:19 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.

Since Rondo went down, in regulation (not including the Denver OTs) the Celtics opponent average is 91 PPG. For the season, they are at 96. The numbers don't lie, the D has been better.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2013, 09:55:53 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.

Since Rondo went down, in regulation (not including the Denver OTs) the Celtics opponent average is 91 PPG. For the season, they are at 96. The numbers don't lie, the D has been better.

Nope.  The defense has surrendered ~91 ppg consistently since the beginning of January.  Well before Rondo left.

Another key measure is that our opponent FG% has been a super-stingy <42% pretty continuously during that same stretch (which would lead the league if it were our overall season rating).

The improvement in the defense has far more to do with:

a) Bradley's return
b) The new guys finally learning how to play Doc's system and
c) Doc no longer experimenting with some really bad defensive lineups like he did early in the season.

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.

Since Rondo went down, in regulation (not including the Denver OTs) the Celtics opponent average is 91 PPG. For the season, they are at 96. The numbers don't lie, the D has been better.

Nope.  The defense has surrendered ~91 ppg consistently since the beginning of January.  Well before Rondo left.

Another key measure is that our opponent FG% has been a super-stingy <42% pretty continuously during that same stretch (which would lead the league if it were our overall season rating).

The improvement in the defense has far more to do with:

a) Bradley's return
b) The new guys finally learning how to play Doc's system and
c) Doc no longer experimenting with some really bad defensive lineups like he did early in the season.

You're right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Courtney Lee is a better ball defender than Rondo.

I forgot I'm on a message board that was outraged that there were talks of a Rondo/CP3 trade. Are you also in the group of people who thinks the Celtics have simply just "figured it out" and would have anyway with Rondo?

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2013, 10:01:31 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.

Since Rondo went down, in regulation (not including the Denver OTs) the Celtics opponent average is 91 PPG. For the season, they are at 96. The numbers don't lie, the D has been better.
Pace matters a lot, the C's are averageing about 2 points better in defensive rating since he's go down compared to our performance in January/February before the injury.

But given the strength of schedule and 5-2 Home-away split I don't think we should read too much into a 2 point DRTG bump just yet. Probably just a blip over a small sample, maybe we'll maintain that level of improvement maybe not.

Since January we've been defending at a rate comparable to the Pacers for best defense in the league at a 99.5 ish DRTG

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Re: Rondo for Al Jefferson, build around Bradley, Sullinger and Green
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2013, 10:06:04 AM »
You don't trade Rondo unless you get a top ten player back.

Why? Rondo isn't a Top 10 player.

Also the people above defending Rondo's defense, do you watch the game? Rondo is a horrible ball defender and the reason the defense has been playing so well in his absence has been the pairing of Lee and Bradley.

The defense was playing well before Rondo went down.  We were 7th in the league in defensive rating when Rondo got injured.  That's where we are now.

Since Rondo went down, in regulation (not including the Denver OTs) the Celtics opponent average is 91 PPG. For the season, they are at 96. The numbers don't lie, the D has been better.

Nope.  The defense has surrendered ~91 ppg consistently since the beginning of January.  Well before Rondo left.

Another key measure is that our opponent FG% has been a super-stingy <42% pretty continuously during that same stretch (which would lead the league if it were our overall season rating).

The improvement in the defense has far more to do with:

a) Bradley's return
b) The new guys finally learning how to play Doc's system and
c) Doc no longer experimenting with some really bad defensive lineups like he did early in the season.

  If you want to look at when the defense started improving it was early/mid-December. Like everything else it started out inconsistently and with fits and starts. We'd go through 3-4 game stretches of great defense followed by a couple of bad games. Near the end of November the defense was probably 20th or so, we got close to 10th or so by mid-late December.

 

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