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A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« on: February 12, 2013, 01:14:45 PM »

Offline fanofgreen

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For the longest  I've been wanting to do the Brandon Bass to Denver for Mozgov and Randolph deal. Now with the Barbosa injury, I think any deal moving a big, must bring in return at least 1 guard. So after thinking a messing around with the trade machine, I think I've found a realistic and reasonable deal that gets us both a big and a guard.

I'm not 100% sure how to link trades from espn trade machine to this website, so there's no link, but I will spell the deal out below:



Boston sends:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rnd pick)
Boston receives:Anthony Randolph, Aaron Brooks

Denver sends:Timofey Mozgov, Anthony Randolph
Denver receives:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rd pick)

Sacramento sends:Aaron Brooks
Sacramento receives:Timofey Mozgov

C's essentially: Brooks in for Barbosa
                 A.Randolph in for Sully

bradley/brooks
lee/terry
pierce/green
randolph/wilcox/
KG/Collins/melo


Summary/Theory:
Denver moves two guys who don't see the floor, and get some value in return for Mozgov's expiring deal. With McGhee, Manimal, Koufos, having Bass gives them a big who can stretch floor.

Boston gets from underneath Bass's deal, and gets a young, athletic, capable rebounder, and shorter-contract, and potential piece for the future. Aaron Brooks is a Barbosa-like guard who can score, is quick, and has more "point guard" skills than either Lee-terry-bradley. Also, he's a two-year deal, so in my opinion that helps with not having Rondo rush back to soon.

Sacramento having Tyreke, Isaiah thomas, Jimmer, and Marcus Thornton are log-jammed at the point guard position, and Brooks has played a combined 14 mins over the last 5 games.

Quote from espn fanstasy:
Brooks is currently out of the Kings' point guard rotation, the Sacramento Bee reports. Speaking of the situation, coach Keith Smart said, "I couldn't play all three of them. (So I'm going to) try to play two guys and keep it consistent."

Spin: Those two players were Isaiah Thomas and Jimmer Fredette, the latter of which had earned little run before the past two games, when Brooks gathered DNP-Coach's Decisions. As a result of Brooks losing his place in the rotation, both Tyreke Evans and John Salmons have increased opportunity to facilitate in Sacramento's offense.

Also for Sacramento, they move a 2-yr contract, for an expiring one.


Thoughts?
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 01:33:40 PM by fanofgreen »

Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 01:17:32 PM »

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Excellent trade for Sacramento. Bad trade for Denver.

Unsure about Boston. I don't like the idea of depending on A.Randolph for big minutes but I do think Aaron Brooks could be very successful here with Rajon Rondo out injured. Give Boston similar production as he gave Houston during his career year there.

It's not like Bass is playing all that well anyway.

Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 01:21:42 PM »

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Excellent trade for Sacramento. Bad trade for Denver.

Unsure about Boston. I don't like the idea of depending on A.Randolph for big minutes but I do think Aaron Brooks could be very successful here with Rajon Rondo out injured. Give Boston similar production as he gave Houston during his career year there.

It's not like Bass is playing all that well anyway.

True, i thought about that. Relying on A. Randolph is somewhat frightening, but having Bass out there doesn't give me the sense of assurance either. I'm thinking that A. Randolph is the type of player, and at the point in his career where he is willing to do anything to get playing time...and if Doc and Kg tell him to focus purely on rebounding, he'll do that very well, just because he wants to stay on floor.

Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 01:23:14 PM »

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I'd do it

Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 01:53:40 PM »

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Excellent trade for Sacramento. Bad trade for Denver.

Unsure about Boston. I don't like the idea of depending on A.Randolph for big minutes but I do think Aaron Brooks could be very successful here with Rajon Rondo out injured. Give Boston similar production as he gave Houston during his career year there.

It's not like Bass is playing all that well anyway.

Back when Randolph actually got decent playing time was in '09-'10 he put up good numbers....

22min    11.6 points   6.5 rebounds   1.5 blocks

Plus he's on a very good contract at a little under 2mill per for the next 3 years

PS-Randolph also plays less minutes than Collins lol c'mon Denver, you don't need him!
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Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 01:55:51 PM »

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Excellent trade for Sacramento. Bad trade for Denver.

Unsure about Boston. I don't like the idea of depending on A.Randolph for big minutes but I do think Aaron Brooks could be very successful here with Rajon Rondo out injured. Give Boston similar production as he gave Houston during his career year there.

It's not like Bass is playing all that well anyway.

True, i thought about that. Relying on A. Randolph is somewhat frightening, but having Bass out there doesn't give me the sense of assurance either. I'm thinking that A. Randolph is the type of player, and at the point in his career where he is willing to do anything to get playing time...and if Doc and Kg tell him to focus purely on rebounding, he'll do that very well, just because he wants to stay on floor.

Good post. I agree with most of it. I don't know exactly how this trade positively effects Boston. Anthony Randolph is a broke man's version of Lamar Odom, so even if he is trying to revive his career I'm not sure what you can realistically expect from him on a night in, night out basis. I do like Brooks, and do believe he would fill in well as a Barbosa fill in quite nicely.

In staying with the thread's title, we need a trade/move that will bring in a big and a guard. Houston may have the pieces the C's could use, and our old pal McHale may be able to help us get it done.

From Houston: PF Greg Smith/PG/SG Toney Douglas
From Boston: PF Brandon Bass/C Fab Melo/2013 2nd Round

Boston Depth Chart:
PG: Bradley/Terry
SG: Lee/Terry/Douglas
SF: Pierce/Green
PF: Wilcox/Green/Smith
C: Garnett/Collins/Wilcox

Why for Boston: Toney Douglas is a 'microwavesque' energy type of player that can put points on the board in a hurry, similar to Barbosa. He does not have a high basketball iq, but is a capable ball handler. He has never played on a team with a veteran presence like Boston. He has always been seen as talented, just a little (or a lot) undisciplined.

Greg Smith provides a big body (6'10", 7'3" wingspan, that is tough on the glass with soft hands. He could potentially thrive playing with Garnett mentoring him. Plus Garnett plays outside the paint, leaving the lane wide open, which is where Smith lives. Plus if Garnett can feed a little red meat to Smith, he could grow into an enforcer type roll, he has the build for it, and he is a bit more rugged than Wilcox.

Why for Houston: Bass gives them a playoff tested veteran on a team that lacks experience. He also is a deadeye midrange shooter, on a team with a drive and kick backcourt. Bass could experience would get a ton of shots playing in the shadows of Harden and Lin, who are both willing passers.

Fab is a project but gives them a 10-15 min a game rim protector.

And the 2nd rounder would be pretty good, and Houston's front office does well selecting talent.

Thoughts:

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Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 02:00:31 PM »

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Excellent trade for Sacramento. Bad trade for Denver.

Unsure about Boston. I don't like the idea of depending on A.Randolph for big minutes but I do think Aaron Brooks could be very successful here with Rajon Rondo out injured. Give Boston similar production as he gave Houston during his career year there.

It's not like Bass is playing all that well anyway.

True, i thought about that. Relying on A. Randolph is somewhat frightening, but having Bass out there doesn't give me the sense of assurance either. I'm thinking that A. Randolph is the type of player, and at the point in his career where he is willing to do anything to get playing time...and if Doc and Kg tell him to focus purely on rebounding, he'll do that very well, just because he wants to stay on floor.

Good post. I agree with most of it. I don't know exactly how this trade positively effects Boston. Anthony Randolph is a broke man's version of Lamar Odom, so even if he is trying to revive his career I'm not sure what you can realistically expect from him on a night in, night out basis. I do like Brooks, and do believe he would fill in well as a Barbosa fill in quite nicely.

In staying with the thread's title, we need a trade/move that will bring in a big and a guard. Houston may have the pieces the C's could use, and our old pal McHale may be able to help us get it done.

From Houston: PF Greg Smith/PG/SG Toney Douglas
From Boston: PF Brandon Bass/C Fab Melo/2013 2nd Round

Boston Depth Chart:
PG: Bradley/Terry
SG: Lee/Terry/Douglas
SF: Pierce/Green
PF: Wilcox/Green/Smith
C: Garnett/Collins/Wilcox

Why for Boston: Toney Douglas is a 'microwavesque' energy type of player that can put points on the board in a hurry, similar to Barbosa. He does not have a high basketball iq, but is a capable ball handler. He has never played on a team with a veteran presence like Boston. He has always been seen as talented, just a little (or a lot) undisciplined.

Greg Smith provides a big body (6'10", 7'3" wingspan, that is tough on the glass with soft hands. He could potentially thrive playing with Garnett mentoring him. Plus Garnett plays outside the paint, leaving the lane wide open, which is where Smith lives. Plus if Garnett can feed a little red meat to Smith, he could grow into an enforcer type roll, he has the build for it, and he is a bit more rugged than Wilcox.

Why for Houston: Bass gives them a playoff tested veteran on a team that lacks experience. He also is a deadeye midrange shooter, on a team with a drive and kick backcourt. Bass could experience would get a ton of shots playing in the shadows of Harden and Lin, who are both willing passers.

Fab is a project but gives them a 10-15 min a game rim protector.

And the 2nd rounder would be pretty good, and Houston's front office does well selecting talent.

Thoughts:

I keep bringing this up only to have people dismiss it. Houston needs a PF who can consistently hit that mid range and play pick and pop with Lin/Harden. Bass's lack of rebounding would also be masked a little because Asik is a very good rebounder.
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Re: A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 02:04:34 PM »

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I always liked Randolph.  Strange he's never really gotten it together. 

Re: Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 02:07:16 PM »

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Bass's lack of rebounding would also be masked a little because Asik is a very good rebounder.
Do you think Bass' lack of rebounding is masked a little by the fact that Pierce, Garnett, and Rondo (when he was healthy) are very good rebounders? If so, why do CBers keep complaining about it? :P
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Re: A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 02:27:46 PM »

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For the longest  I've been wanting to do the Brandon Bass to Denver for Mozgov and Randolph deal. Now with the Barbosa injury, I think any deal moving a big, must bring in return at least 1 guard. So after thinking a messing around with the trade machine, I think I've found a realistic and reasonable deal that gets us both a big and a guard.

I'm not 100% sure how to link trades from espn trade machine to this website, so there's no link, but I will spell the deal out below:



Boston sends:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rnd pick)
Boston receives:Anthony Randolph, Aaron Brooks

Denver sends:Timofey Mozgov, Anthony Randolph
Denver receives:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rd pick)

Sacramento sends:Aaron Brooks
Sacramento receives:Timofey Mozgov

C's essentially: Brooks in for Barbosa
                 A.Randolph in for Sully

bradley/brooks
lee/terry
pierce/green
randolph/wilcox/
KG/Collins/melo


Summary/Theory:
Denver moves two guys who don't see the floor, and get some value in return for Mozgov's expiring deal. With McGhee, Manimal, Koufos, having Bass gives them a big who can stretch floor.

Boston gets from underneath Bass's deal, and gets a young, athletic, capable rebounder, and shorter-contract, and potential piece for the future. Aaron Brooks is a Barbosa-like guard who can score, is quick, and has more "point guard" skills than either Lee-terry-bradley. Also, he's a two-year deal, so in my opinion that helps with not having Rondo rush back to soon.

Sacramento having Tyreke, Isaiah thomas, Jimmer, and Marcus Thornton are log-jammed at the point guard position, and Brooks has played a combined 14 mins over the last 5 games.

Quote from espn fanstasy:
Brooks is currently out of the Kings' point guard rotation, the Sacramento Bee reports. Speaking of the situation, coach Keith Smart said, "I couldn't play all three of them. (So I'm going to) try to play two guys and keep it consistent."

Spin: Those two players were Isaiah Thomas and Jimmer Fredette, the latter of which had earned little run before the past two games, when Brooks gathered DNP-Coach's Decisions. As a result of Brooks losing his place in the rotation, both Tyreke Evans and John Salmons have increased opportunity to facilitate in Sacramento's offense.

Also for Sacramento, they move a 2-yr contract, for an expiring one.


Thoughts?
I really like this trade TP

Also to get trade machine link, hit “save trade” then copy and paste the link
Here ya go
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b96zh7n

Re: A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2013, 02:49:18 PM »

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Bass and a second round pick would not land Mosgov and Brooks.

His contract alone is the 1st thing. Second, he's playing bad right now. Third, Denver don't need PF's who are paid a ton and are under-performing.
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Re: A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 03:12:16 PM »

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For the longest  I've been wanting to do the Brandon Bass to Denver for Mozgov and Randolph deal. Now with the Barbosa injury, I think any deal moving a big, must bring in return at least 1 guard. So after thinking a messing around with the trade machine, I think I've found a realistic and reasonable deal that gets us both a big and a guard.

I'm not 100% sure how to link trades from espn trade machine to this website, so there's no link, but I will spell the deal out below:



Boston sends:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rnd pick)
Boston receives:Anthony Randolph, Aaron Brooks

Denver sends:Timofey Mozgov, Anthony Randolph
Denver receives:Brandon Bass(maybe 2nd rd pick)

Sacramento sends:Aaron Brooks
Sacramento receives:Timofey Mozgov

C's essentially: Brooks in for Barbosa
                 A.Randolph in for Sully

bradley/brooks
lee/terry
pierce/green
randolph/wilcox/
KG/Collins/melo


Summary/Theory:
Denver moves two guys who don't see the floor, and get some value in return for Mozgov's expiring deal. With McGhee, Manimal, Koufos, having Bass gives them a big who can stretch floor.

Boston gets from underneath Bass's deal, and gets a young, athletic, capable rebounder, and shorter-contract, and potential piece for the future. Aaron Brooks is a Barbosa-like guard who can score, is quick, and has more "point guard" skills than either Lee-terry-bradley. Also, he's a two-year deal, so in my opinion that helps with not having Rondo rush back to soon.

Sacramento having Tyreke, Isaiah thomas, Jimmer, and Marcus Thornton are log-jammed at the point guard position, and Brooks has played a combined 14 mins over the last 5 games.

Quote from espn fanstasy:
Brooks is currently out of the Kings' point guard rotation, the Sacramento Bee reports. Speaking of the situation, coach Keith Smart said, "I couldn't play all three of them. (So I'm going to) try to play two guys and keep it consistent."

Spin: Those two players were Isaiah Thomas and Jimmer Fredette, the latter of which had earned little run before the past two games, when Brooks gathered DNP-Coach's Decisions. As a result of Brooks losing his place in the rotation, both Tyreke Evans and John Salmons have increased opportunity to facilitate in Sacramento's offense.

Also for Sacramento, they move a 2-yr contract, for an expiring one.


Thoughts?
I really like this trade TP

Also to get trade machine link, hit “save trade” then copy and paste the link
Here ya go
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=b96zh7n

Thank You! that seems simple enough!

Re: A Trade that gets us a Big and a Point
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 03:13:06 PM »

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