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Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« on: February 10, 2013, 01:35:33 PM »
Isn't Barbosa playing like the Pietrus of the year?

Playing at a low price for us, yet making a big impact on the floor. I hope we make the right decision this summer to resign him, unlike letting Pietrus go.

He seems like a dedicated Celtic, works hard every day. I like him.

And he's Brazilian and can mesh with Melo to make a devastating pick and roll combo (lol.)
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 01:38:43 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 01:43:07 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 01:46:14 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 01:47:26 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 01:48:01 PM »
I am not sure what you mean by "Pietrus of the Year" but if you mean it as an unassuming role bench player that just does his thing and then every once in a while gets crazy good then yeah, Barbosa could be looked that way.

Still an award of that type needs to be called the Charlie Scott Award.
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 01:48:39 PM »
I am not sure what you mean by "Pietrus of the Year" but if you mean it as an unassuming role bench player that just does his thing and then every once in a while gets crazy good then yeah, Barbosa could be looked that way.

Still an award of that type needs to be called the Charlie Scott Award.

Yea, that's basically it, he does more than he's paid and is very valuable. Every team needs a Pietrus/Barbosa type player
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 01:50:05 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

consistency is not supposed to come from the 8th-12th guys on the team, which is what Pietrus and Barbosa are. It comes from the top 5 players, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Bradley, and unfortunately in our case, Bass and Green.

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2013, 01:52:07 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2013, 01:53:54 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2013, 01:55:51 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 02:00:07 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 02:01:47 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!
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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 02:02:53 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.

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Re: Barbosa = Pietrus of the year?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 02:04:34 PM »
Pietrus? I think you're confused about his contributions to the Celtics.

But Barbosa's role is not worth more than the vet. min. or the bi-annual exception if available to us. Same thing with Pietrus.

Barbosa is definitely worth more than the vet. min...
Pietrus was our greatest motivator last year and also a good backup to Pierce, he also should get more than the vet. min,

The vet. min is for people like Jason Collins and Keyon Dooling. Barbosa/Pietrus should make more than 2 million a year at the VERY least

The problem is that we have other roster priorities and limited resources to get them, so no, I can't see Barbosa being valued more than vet. min., considering how deep we're in our guard rotation, and with the return of Rondo, how much bench he'll be eating for someone to be making more than vet. min.

We'll never have consistency then if all we do is get players like Pietrus/Barbosa on vet. min deals since the next year, they leave for better deals... :\ They're necessary for a championship.

Did you see how much money Barbosa was making last year?? That's what he deserves!

Deserving, and what we can/should give him to stay in our roster are two different things.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about consistency, but we have Rondo, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Avery Bradley signed for 3 years. In addition, we have Green and Garnett signed for 4 and 3 years, and Sully for 4/5 years, and Pierce here for long as KG is here most probably.

What consistency are you specifically talking about when considering our 5th/6th guard in our rotation?

If a player gets paid $850k, yet plays like a $3 million dollar player for a year (and has been consistent every year of his career except the one where he got offered $850k), how much should he make when he looks for his next contract??

This has nothing to do with what the Celtics should give him.

What you should be thinking about is what resources we have at our disposal, and how we allocate them, particularly finding an upgrade for our center rotation, an additional SF since we only have two at the moment.

Clearly that's not our plan, because the only guys Danny tried to get as bigs were Collins/Wilcox/Darko who are all minimum players.

There must be a reason we tried people like Jamar Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Dionte Christmas and barely put effort into who was it... Micah Downs??? Kurz??? Danny would rather us go small and Barbosa works in small rotations!

That's because we wasted used all our resources to sign Jason Terry this year, and now we're very close to the hard cap.


 

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