Rondo should request a trade

[BballTim]

Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand.  I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him.  I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return.  I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.

  If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.

[Fafnir]

Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?

Some fans want Rondo gone.  Some want KG and Pierce shipped out.  Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired.  Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.

It just goes with the territory.  When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.

This is what annoys me about many fans.  It is not about trying players that you think suck.  It is about trading value for value to improve your team.  I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy. 

What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.

You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.

Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.

[Fafnir]

Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk.  Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.

Take a break from the forums if you're frustrated by them. If you're almost rooting for the C's to lose you're getting too caught up in what is a small portion of the C's fanbase chatter.

[droopdog7]

Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand.  I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him.  I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return.  I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.

  If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.

If Rondo is as good as advertised, then why shouldn't he bring back an impact player?  Like I said, I am merely suggesting the idea that we might be better by trading Rondo.  That is not trashing him in any way.

[droopdog7]

Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?

Some fans want Rondo gone.  Some want KG and Pierce shipped out.  Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired.  Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.

It just goes with the territory.  When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.

This is what annoys me about many fans.  It is not about trying players that you think suck.  It is about trading value for value to improve your team.  I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy. 

What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.

You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.

Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.

I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H.  I know what he's all about and have much respect.  But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys.  They usually start with, "That guy sucks" and end with "trade him!".  Really glad none of these posters are GM's because that would be the completely wrong way to do the job.

Or, you see these crazy trade proposals where we give up our garbage and get back an impact player.  No fans (seemingly) ever want to give up a player that they think is good.

Bottom line is you give up value for value.  I think Rondo has value.  Bringing back value in return might actually make us better.  THAT, is what this is all about.

[PhoSita]

This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.



 http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw

I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt.  But alas, no team was willing to bite.

I wouldn't have minded a Rondo trade prior to the injury, either, but I doubt it was a matter of other teams not willing to "bite."  Rather, there weren't any top shelf players who were definitely available at that point.

I was holding out hope for the possibility of a Rondo for Cousins swap around the time of the draft, though.  But that doesn't seem to be in the cards, either, given the injury.

[BballTim]

Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk.  Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.

  I think it's overly wishful that the absurd talk will stop if we lose some games. You're seeing what I generally think of as off-season threads, where people make hyperbolic claims about Rondo's deficiencies and how much he "hurts the team". They generally lessen in frequency during the season because you can compare the claims to what you see in games but that won't be the case until November or so.

[Fafnir]

Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?

Some fans want Rondo gone.  Some want KG and Pierce shipped out.  Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired.  Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.

It just goes with the territory.  When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.

This is what annoys me about many fans.  It is not about trying players that you think suck.  It is about trading value for value to improve your team.  I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy. 

What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.

You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.

Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.

I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H.  I know what he's all about and have much respect.  But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys.

I never said you were talking about Roy.

Just that your complaining about "fans" in the exact same manner that frustrates you when they complain about "fans" (ie in your view you I guess) wanting to trade Rondo.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

remember the X factor here, Doc had Darko...and NEVER played him....so even if we get who you want as a big......doc might just not like him, he has shown he can just ALL year....we would have guards and bigs all over the place...lee, bradley, terry, barbosa and rondo, kg, wilcox, collins, darko....

[BballTim]

Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand.  I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him.  I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return.  I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.

  If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.

If Rondo is as good as advertised, then why shouldn't he bring back an impact player?  Like I said, I am merely suggesting the idea that we might be better by trading Rondo.  That is not trashing him in any way.

  We'd be better if we traded everyone on the roster as long as we got enough in return.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

remember the X factor here, Doc had Darko...and NEVER played him....so even if we get who you want as a big......doc might just not like him, he has shown he can just sit anyone, any time....we would have guards and bigs all over the place...lee, bradley, terry, barbosa and rondo, kg, wilcox, collins, darko....

[nickagneta]

This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.



 http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw

I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt.  But alas, no team was willing to bite.

care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.

I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.

Evidence?  That's got to be a joke right?!?  Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence.  But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire.  Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire. 

Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand.  I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him.  I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return.  I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.

Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.

And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?

Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors?  How about these three below?  In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul

According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal

Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.

The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.

Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.

You do realize these rumors are older than dirt and that the three players that the other team had are as good of basketball players as Rondo, so you can understand them not wanting Rondo. Sort of like we wouldn't want Rudy Gay or Danny Granger or Nicolas Batum for Pierce. Doesn't make them lesser players it just makes Pierce better for us.

I really don't think there was a lot of Rondo discussion around the league before he got hurt that was beyond, "scratching the surface, kicking the tires, seeing who's available stuff" like there always is in January and December.

[droopdog7]

Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?

Some fans want Rondo gone.  Some want KG and Pierce shipped out.  Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired.  Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.

It just goes with the territory.  When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.

This is what annoys me about many fans.  It is not about trying players that you think suck.  It is about trading value for value to improve your team.  I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy. 

What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.

You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.

Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.

I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H.  I know what he's all about and have much respect.  But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys.

I never said you were talking about Roy.

Just that your complaining about "fans" in the exact same manner that frustrates you when they complain about "fans" (ie in your view you I guess) wanting to trade Rondo.

Okay, I know we are just playing semantics here but I said what annoys me about "many" fans.  From my experience, this is an accurate statement.  "many" fans do exactly what I said they do.

[BballTim]

This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.



 http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw

I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt.  But alas, no team was willing to bite.

I wouldn't have minded a Rondo trade prior to the injury, either, but I doubt it was a matter of other teams not willing to "bite."  Rather, there weren't any top shelf players who were definitely available at that point.

I was holding out hope for the possibility of a Rondo for Cousins swap around the time of the draft, though.  But that doesn't seem to be in the cards, either, given the injury.

  From the little I've seen of Cousins the people who are expecting him to lead a team to a title have a good long wait ahead of them and that's somewhat optimistic. Some team will trade for him and give him a big contract, I'd rather be the team that signs him to a smaller contract after he wears out his welcome at his next destination.

[PhoSita]

Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk.  Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.

  I think it's overly wishful that the absurd talk will stop if we lose some games. You're seeing what I generally think of as off-season threads, where people make hyperbolic claims about Rondo's deficiencies and how much he "hurts the team". They generally lessen in frequency during the season because you can compare the claims to what you see in games but that won't be the case until November or so.

Let's be real: there's always absurd talk going on in these forums about something. 

I still think the Rondo-is-a-problem talk is less ridiculous than the "We are still contenders this season!" talk.  But at least the latter is mostly harmless.