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Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2013, 09:13:25 AM »

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Hey Jordan's bulls were fine the regular season after his first retirement...

Then this thing called the playoffs happened
you got that right, I am not looking forward to the playoffs without Rondo.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2013, 12:34:18 PM »

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It's pretty crazy to me that half a season of .500 ball and a 5 game winning streak has turned so many fans against Rondo.

I will say I'm for trading him now, only because of his injury. But give me a healthy Rondo any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

It's not the record that leads people to making these comments - it's the physical act of watching the games and seeing the team's interactions on the court.

Our defense has been outstanding (top 3 on the league if I recall) and there are statistics to prove that we are a better defensive team when Rondo is not on the court.

There are also statistics that show we aren't really any better offensively when Rondo is on the court, ultimately we are about the same.

So, when you put two and two together you get similar points scores, but less points allows - that means we are outscoring our opponents by more.

  Stats say whatever you want them to. The main reason we're better on defense with Rondo out is because Rondo plays a lot of minutes with KG on the bench, and our defense is bad without KG no matter which guards are in.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2013, 12:53:18 PM »

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The Problem is Rondo is only dangerous with the ball in his hand. Half the time when there is a rebound he runs to the ball, instead of  the rebounder advancing the with a pass to the closes person up the court. He then dribbles it up and makes an assist closer to the hoop.

But some times the easier play would have been the rebounder just kicking it up the side line.

Some times he waits for a play to develop instead of creating out. This causes a stagnate offense. Which makes it easy to deafened. Its also predictable.

Some one has already said this, but we are not better with out Rondo, but we are playing a better way of Basketball. We saw last night the two versions. We got up with the new style of moving the ball, but then PP kinda became Rondo ish and had the plays run threw him which slowed things down.

Im hoping Rondo sees how well the play is when with in 3 seconds of getting over half court its on the the next man instead of dribbling for 10 seconds waiting for some one to get open.

  The problem with posts like this is that we're probably getting fewer fast break points now than we did when Rondo was playing. People are comparing what's happening now to a version of Rondo that never existed, either because they just hate watching Rondo play, they only notice a few events in a game and assume that the same thing happens over the other 45 or so minutes or they're heavily influenced by what they read on the internet.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2013, 01:27:09 PM »

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The Problem is Rondo is only dangerous with the ball in his hand. Half the time when there is a rebound he runs to the ball, instead of  the rebounder advancing the with a pass to the closes person up the court. He then dribbles it up and makes an assist closer to the hoop.

But some times the easier play would have been the rebounder just kicking it up the side line.

Some times he waits for a play to develop instead of creating out. This causes a stagnate offense. Which makes it easy to deafened. Its also predictable.

Some one has already said this, but we are not better with out Rondo, but we are playing a better way of Basketball. We saw last night the two versions. We got up with the new style of moving the ball, but then PP kinda became Rondo ish and had the plays run threw him which slowed things down.

Im hoping Rondo sees how well the play is when with in 3 seconds of getting over half court its on the the next man instead of dribbling for 10 seconds waiting for some one to get open.

  The problem with posts like this is that we're probably getting fewer fast break points now than we did when Rondo was playing.

This column, though not exactly measuring fast-break points, seems to suggest the opposite:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4702007/taking-advantage-of-turnovers

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2013, 01:35:25 PM »

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The Problem is Rondo is only dangerous with the ball in his hand. Half the time when there is a rebound he runs to the ball, instead of  the rebounder advancing the with a pass to the closes person up the court. He then dribbles it up and makes an assist closer to the hoop.

But some times the easier play would have been the rebounder just kicking it up the side line.

Some times he waits for a play to develop instead of creating out. This causes a stagnate offense. Which makes it easy to deafened. Its also predictable.

Some one has already said this, but we are not better with out Rondo, but we are playing a better way of Basketball. We saw last night the two versions. We got up with the new style of moving the ball, but then PP kinda became Rondo ish and had the plays run threw him which slowed things down.

Im hoping Rondo sees how well the play is when with in 3 seconds of getting over half court its on the the next man instead of dribbling for 10 seconds waiting for some one to get open.

  The problem with posts like this is that we're probably getting fewer fast break points now than we did when Rondo was playing.

This column, though not exactly measuring fast-break points, seems to suggest the opposite:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4702007/taking-advantage-of-turnovers
As you say that's flawed as a half court basket after a dead ball turnover is 2 points off of a turnover.

We're definitely forcing more turnovers. Against the Kings/Clippers we scored a ton of our points that way.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2013, 01:39:01 PM »

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The Problem is Rondo is only dangerous with the ball in his hand. Half the time when there is a rebound he runs to the ball, instead of  the rebounder advancing the with a pass to the closes person up the court. He then dribbles it up and makes an assist closer to the hoop.

But some times the easier play would have been the rebounder just kicking it up the side line.

Some times he waits for a play to develop instead of creating out. This causes a stagnate offense. Which makes it easy to deafened. Its also predictable.

Some one has already said this, but we are not better with out Rondo, but we are playing a better way of Basketball. We saw last night the two versions. We got up with the new style of moving the ball, but then PP kinda became Rondo ish and had the plays run threw him which slowed things down.

Im hoping Rondo sees how well the play is when with in 3 seconds of getting over half court its on the the next man instead of dribbling for 10 seconds waiting for some one to get open.

  The problem with posts like this is that we're probably getting fewer fast break points now than we did when Rondo was playing.

This column, though not exactly measuring fast-break points, seems to suggest the opposite:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4702007/taking-advantage-of-turnovers
As you say that's flawed as a half court basket after a dead ball turnover is 2 points off of a turnover.

We're definitely forcing more turnovers. Against the Kings/Clippers we scored a ton of our points that way.

Yep. And it be hard to imagine that we're getting these results without better conversion on fast break opportunities. What I'm observing seems to be in line with that insinuation, particularly with Jeff Green and how he's been getting up the floor.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2013, 01:40:56 PM »

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The Problem is Rondo is only dangerous with the ball in his hand. Half the time when there is a rebound he runs to the ball, instead of  the rebounder advancing the with a pass to the closes person up the court. He then dribbles it up and makes an assist closer to the hoop.

But some times the easier play would have been the rebounder just kicking it up the side line.

Some times he waits for a play to develop instead of creating out. This causes a stagnate offense. Which makes it easy to deafened. Its also predictable.

Some one has already said this, but we are not better with out Rondo, but we are playing a better way of Basketball. We saw last night the two versions. We got up with the new style of moving the ball, but then PP kinda became Rondo ish and had the plays run threw him which slowed things down.

Im hoping Rondo sees how well the play is when with in 3 seconds of getting over half court its on the the next man instead of dribbling for 10 seconds waiting for some one to get open.

  The problem with posts like this is that we're probably getting fewer fast break points now than we did when Rondo was playing.

This column, though not exactly measuring fast-break points, seems to suggest the opposite:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4702007/taking-advantage-of-turnovers

  I'd say the stats that do measure fast break points would agree with me, even those from espn.

Re: Rondo is the Biggest Ball Hog since Jordan.
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2013, 02:04:03 PM »

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Hey Jordan's bulls were fine the regular season after his first retirement...

Then this thing called the playoffs happened

There you go. Tp

 

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