Galeto
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« Reply #165 on: February 04, 2013, 01:12:08 PM » |
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No thanks...No interest in a Bledsoe centerpiece trade for kg...ridiculous
Maybe for pierce
Who do you think Boston can get for KG, given his age, level of production, salary cap limitations and no-trade clause?
Mike
If you can't get anything, then maybe it's ok not to trade him, you know.
Bledsoe and Jordan are something. They're more than just something. Right now, Jordan is better than any big on the Celtics other than KG. Even when healthy, I don't think you could say Sully was better than Jordan. Right now, Bledsoe is better than any PG on the Celtics other than Rondo and you could make an argument he'd be a better 2 guard than anyone currently on Boston's roster.
If you'd rather KG just retire as a Celtic, that's not an indefensible position. I'd rather that than trade him for either Bledsoe-Butler or Bledsoe-Odom. But if you recognize that trading KG is probably in the best long-term interests of the team and that the possible trades you could make are severely limited, Bledsoe-Jordan would not only be a pretty good swap, it very likely is the best possible trade to be made.
Mike
Yes Jordan would be the best big after KG but considering the quality of the Celtics bigs after KG, that doesn't say much. Jordan's a quality big but trading KG means a full rebuild right now, which means trading Pierce and Terry too and in that scenario, Jordan being the best big and making a hair less than Rondo doesn't seem all that appealing. It's too late in the season to just go blow a team up. For missing the playoffs and not getting a top lottery pick (nevermind this draft is pretty weak), the trade returns have to super attractive and Bledsoe and Jordan just aren't. You don't trade someone like KG just to get anything you can for him. Further, this team is really fun to watch now that the ball isn't being dominated in one guy's hands. It's also still really talented. |
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scaryjerry
Paul Pierce 
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« Reply #166 on: February 04, 2013, 01:33:45 PM » |
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No thanks...No interest in a Bledsoe centerpiece trade for kg...ridiculous
Maybe for pierce
Who do you think Boston can get for KG, given his age, level of production, salary cap limitations and no-trade clause?
Mike
Nothing worthy of trading him for...rather kg be here until he retires then trade him for mediocre talent...I feel it much more about him then pierce...I know people get caught up in wanting pierce to be a career long Celtic...that means nothing to me..he was on the worst Celtic teams ever until kg turned around the franchise with Garnett leading the ball club we can make noise..without him we're back to the 20 year drought..a Bledsoe doesn't change the future positively in any way so I'll take my chances enjoying watching kg |
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« Reply #167 on: February 04, 2013, 02:00:35 PM » |
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No thanks...No interest in a Bledsoe centerpiece trade for kg...ridiculous
Maybe for pierce
Who do you think Boston can get for KG, given his age, level of production, salary cap limitations and no-trade clause?
Mike
Nothing worthy of trading him for...rather kg be here until he retires
Even if it is this summer? |
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« Reply #168 on: February 04, 2013, 02:09:53 PM » |
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Bledsoe and Jordan are something. They're more than just something. Right now, Jordan is better than any big on the Celtics other than KG. Even when healthy, I don't think you could say Sully was better than Jordan. Right now, Bledsoe is better than any PG on the Celtics other than Rondo and you could make an argument he'd be a better 2 guard than anyone currently on Boston's roster. Jordan is also paid more than any big on the Celtics other than KG. As a matter of fact, he's owed approximately as much as KG, and for as many years. That Bledsoe is better than a crop that includes three shooting guards and Avery Bradley, that's more or less a foregone conclusion. He may or may not pan out, but he's been pretty dreadful in a small sample of games as a starter this season. If you'd rather KG just retire as a Celtic, that's not an indefensible position. I'd rather that than trade him for either Bledsoe-Butler or Bledsoe-Odom. But if you recognize that trading KG is probably in the best long-term interests of the team and that the possible trades you could make are severely limited, Bledsoe-Jordan would not only be a pretty good swap, it very likely is the best possible trade to be made. The case in point is, three years from now you still have pretty much nothing (unless of course you find Bledsoe and Jordan to be a long-term solution, which I don't). The question is, would you like three years of Jordan or three years of Garnett. And I think it's not much of a question. |
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camboceltic
Fab Melo
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« Reply #169 on: February 04, 2013, 02:28:02 PM » |
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Pls do not trade for Bledsoe. I just saw him up close last night - poor decision making and I was surprised at how slow he is. More importantly, he is 6'1" on a good day and probably wearing inserts. Trade Rondo.
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« Reply #171 on: February 04, 2013, 03:07:57 PM » |
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Would rather have the cap room when Garnett retires than a PG prospect and contract ballast.
The only trades I am interested in are ones that move mid-length contracts (Bass, Terry, Green, Lee) for expirings and chips.
Start the rebuild during/just before the 2014/15 season.
That's not how trades usually work. Normally, you trade a contract you don't want and useful assets such as picks or young players for an expiring contract. It would make more sense to hang on to Bass and Terry until the 2014 off-season, when they become expiring contracts with a year left on their deals. |
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sofutomygaha
Rajon Rondo
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« Reply #173 on: February 04, 2013, 03:09:10 PM » |
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Lucky17- Thanks for pointing out the trade kicker. That extra 2 million is actually significant
kozlodoev- the "50 cents on the dollar" line has me interested. What is 100 cents for Garnett (keeping age and contract in mind). There are some young rebuilding teams like the Bobcats or the Cavs for whom he is not worth a 1st round draft pick. To a contender, though, he is obviously valuable. So how much should KG be worth, hypothetically, to the clippers, lakers, nuggets, thunder, knicks, spurs, jazz, griz, heat, bulls, <celtics?>, etc?
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SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
1. Rajon Rondo (11), John Lucas III (1.5)
2. Tyreke Evans (5.2), Francisco Garcia (6.1)
3. Ersan Ilvasova (7.9), Steve Novak(4.3), Jonas Jerebko(4.5)
4. Kenneth Faried (1.3), Amir Johnson (6), Andrew Nicholson(1.4)
5. Anderson Varejao (8.4), Kosta Koufos(3)
CAP REMAINING: $10
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TripleOT
Chat Moderator Paul Pierce
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« Reply #174 on: February 04, 2013, 07:27:18 PM » |
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Shaun Powell tweeting that KG will lift his no trade clause only if he's sent to LA. Told Kevin Garnett will not waive no trade unless Pierce is dealt, and then only to LA. Lives in Malibu. https://twitter.com/Powell2daPeople |
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« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2013, 07:28:39 PM » |
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Shaun Powell tweeting that KG will lift his no trade clause only if he's sent to LA.
Told Kevin Garnett will not waive no trade unless Pierce is dealt, and then only to LA. Lives in Malibu.
https://twitter.com/Powell2daPeople
Big piece of news right there. Hopefully Ainge doesn't trade Pierce for next to nothing just so he can then deal KG. |
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Birdman
Paul Pierce
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« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2013, 07:32:24 PM » |
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Pierce or Garnett will not be traded
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« Reply #177 on: February 04, 2013, 07:41:43 PM » |
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Lucky17- Thanks for pointing out the trade kicker. That extra 2 million is actually significant
kozlodoev- the "50 cents on the dollar" line has me interested. What is 100 cents for Garnett (keeping age and contract in mind). There are some young rebuilding teams like the Bobcats or the Cavs for whom he is not worth a 1st round draft pick. To a contender, though, he is obviously valuable. So how much should KG be worth, hypothetically, to the clippers, lakers, nuggets, thunder, knicks, spurs, jazz, griz, heat, bulls, <celtics?>, etc?
The problem is how much is he worth to us -- his "market price" may be determined by what other teams are willing to pay us, but his value to the Celtics isn't. And there is no reason to trade him unless the former is reasonably close to the latter. That's why I'm saying it's ok not to trade him. The problem is no-one is going to give you a reasonably good big man for Garnett, and I'm not interested in bringing in another guard. I feel like we should be exploring trades for Rondo instead. |
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eugen
Kevin Garnett
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« Reply #178 on: February 04, 2013, 07:41:46 PM » |
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Pierce or Garnett will not be traded
I had a bad feeling that DA is trying to keep Rondo(I do not no why???) and to trade KG or PP |
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scaryjerry
Paul Pierce
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« Reply #179 on: February 04, 2013, 07:56:05 PM » |
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No thanks...No interest in a Bledsoe centerpiece trade for kg...ridiculous
Maybe for pierce
Who do you think Boston can get for KG, given his age, level of production, salary cap limitations and no-trade clause?
Mike
Nothing worthy of trading him for...rather kg be here until he retires
Even if it is this summer?
Fair question... and if the package is only Bledsoe/Butler then yep even if it was this summerr |
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