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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #120 on: February 04, 2013, 10:22:01 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.
Yeah a three team trade would make sense.

Also if you've convinced KG to accept a trade that works for the C's, then you have to find a trade involving Paul.

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #121 on: February 04, 2013, 10:24:12 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.

Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=babny4f

A man can dream...

edit: Messed up the trade initially.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2013, 10:29:48 AM by kozlodoev »
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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #122 on: February 04, 2013, 10:27:33 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.

Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkqsf9u

A man can dream...


I like the dream.  Celtics get both Cousins and Bledsoe.


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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #123 on: February 04, 2013, 10:30:29 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.

Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkqsf9u

A man can dream...


I like the dream.  Celtics get both Cousins and Bledsoe.
I messed up the trade in this link. Sacramento are supposed to get Jordan and send Brooks to the Clippers.
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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #124 on: February 04, 2013, 10:39:47 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.



Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkqsf9u

A man can dream...


I like the dream.  Celtics get both Cousins and Bledsoe.

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #125 on: February 04, 2013, 10:40:17 AM »
I think if there is a deal to be had for KG, it is Bledsoe and Odom's expiring contract.

I think that isn't enough. Adding KG to a roster puts a whole new face on the defense. Bledsoe, Odom and their 2014 1st rounder maybe. I'd rather have Bledsoe/Jordan and a 2nd rounder I think. KG is worth that even at this stage in his career. He plays so hard. I don't remember a game where he didn't have a significant impact (zero-rebound game aside, he had 19pts on 82% shooting in 23min. that night). You just can't say that about Bledsoe or Jordan. I have to believe GMs see that stuff too. 6 months of KG puts them far closer to a championship than 3-4 years of those other guys. And now I've convinced myself to keep KG :)


Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkqsf9u

A man can dream...

I messed up the trade in this link. Sacramento are supposed to get Jordan and send Brooks to the Clippers.

No way SAC gives up Cousins for Jordan. That is a significant downgrade in talent and a significant upgrade in salary. Maybe this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=as8h9t6

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #126 on: February 04, 2013, 10:41:23 AM »
I don't see the point unless there is a third team that wants Bledsoe and sends the Celtics a younger, talented big man to replace KG.

Something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bkqsf9u

A man can dream...


I like the dream.  Celtics get both Cousins and Bledsoe.
I messed up the trade in this link. Sacramento are supposed to get Jordan and send Brooks to the Clippers.


I know.


But I like the dream mistake even better. 


If we are going to dream, dream big.   :)


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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #128 on: February 04, 2013, 10:58:23 AM »
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I'm saying I don't understand why you think this is a "crazy pipe dream", given that it's an obviously poor trade for the Celtics. Garnett, on his last legs, is likely going to be better than any of those two players will be over the next two or three years.

So you're trading away the best player in the deal, and gaining no cap flexibility in the process. Not sure what the incentive is to do this deal, let alone call it a "crazy pipe dream". The Clippers will pounce on this before you can say KG's favorite expletive, and probably even toss a first-rounder in the mix.

I see. Well, you probably know the counter-arguments to this. Garnett may retire or may deteriorate rapidly. Bledsoe and Jordan may have all-star potential. Get younger, etc.

I personally think Jordan may earn his money over the course of the next three years, but I don't see him turning into the next Dwight Howard.

The reason I thought it was a pipe dream is that I don't think the Clippers will offer it. Those are two of their three best assets.

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #129 on: February 04, 2013, 11:01:33 AM »
Maybe something like this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbygklr

The Jazz arent trading Favors. And thats a terrible return for Lee and KG.

The Jazz are looking to trade Milsap or Jefferson to open up the room to play Favors. Both have expiring deals and the Jazz arent going to resign them.
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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #130 on: February 04, 2013, 11:01:54 AM »
Celtics Send: Garnett, Green, Bass, Melo and Collins
Clippers Send: Bledsoe, Jordan, Butler and Odom (Expiring)

It is a bitter pill, and the precursor to a Rondo trade, but it really positions the C's well for 2014/15... Move Terry and Lee, and in 1014/15 you rebuild around:

Bledsoe (25), Bradley (24), Sullinger (22) and Jordan (27), two first rounders, whatever you get for Rondo and about $40M in cap space
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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #131 on: February 04, 2013, 11:03:04 AM »
Maybe something like this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbygklr

Wow. You know, that's actually really fascinating. Who says no to this?

I usually regret clicking on trade machine links, but this is a neat idea. Kudoz to you

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #132 on: February 04, 2013, 11:03:43 AM »
I'm saying I don't understand why you think this is a "crazy pipe dream", given that it's an obviously poor trade for the Celtics. Garnett, on his last legs, is likely going to be better than any of those two players will be over the next two or three years.

So you're trading away the best player in the deal, and gaining no cap flexibility in the process. Not sure what the incentive is to do this deal

1.  Right now, KG still seems the best player in the deal, but we haven't gotten a chance to see what Bledsoe is like as a full-time starter.  If he produces even close to what he did against Boston, say 18 pts and 7 assists a game, he'd already be very close to KG's current level and has the chance to be even better.

2.  With his no-trade clause, KG's value in any future deal is automatically lower than either Jordan's or Bledsoe's.  KG really doesn't even have any value as an expiring deal unless he's willing to go to some team trying to unload a bad contract.

3.  Giving up the best player isn't a big deal when the whole point is that you're not concerned with winning this year.  Getting a shot at a top 3 lottery pick might be a better deal than holding onto the 8th playoff spot in the East.

4.  If we just hold onto KG until he retires, Boston gets nothing but cap space.  Unless you think a rebuilding Celtics team is suddenly going to become vastly more attractive to free agents than it ever has been in the past, players > cap space.

5.  Getting Bledsoe allows you to make a future trade of either him or Rondo for another player.

Ultimately, all that matters is what KG wants.  If he's willing to accept the trade, it would be crazy to pass on something like Bledsoe and Jordan.  Which gets you closer to another title?  2 to 3 years of a continually declining KG with a no-trade clause or 5 to 10 years of Bledsoe and Jordan?

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #133 on: February 04, 2013, 11:05:47 AM »
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Boston: out Garnett, Terry and Bass
        in Millsap, Kanter, Odom, Billups, Utah 1st, Clippers 1st

Clippers: out Bledsoe, Jordan, Odom, Billups, 1st
          in Garnett, Terry, Bass

Utah: out Millsap, Kanter, 1st
      in Jordan, Bledsoe

Our lineup:
Lee/Billups/Barbosa
Bradley/Barbosa/Billups
Pierce/Green/Odom
Millsap/Odom/Wilcox
Kanter/Wilcox/Collins

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Re: Clippers have inquired about KG
« Reply #134 on: February 04, 2013, 11:10:25 AM »
Maybe something like this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbygklr

The Jazz arent trading Favors. And thats a terrible return for Lee and KG.

The Jazz are looking to trade Milsap or Jefferson to open up the room to play Favors. Both have expiring deals and the Jazz arent going to resign them.

If KG is going to be traded, this is one of the best [realistic] returns I've seen anyone cook up. Favors (and his contract) is on par with the PF equivalent of Bledsoe. I think that the Jazz would have to consider taking a deal like this and then re-signing Milsap as an alternative to building around Favors.

 

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