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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2013, 11:25:30 AM »
Who knows how much sway Hollinger actually has, but I guarantee he's telling everyone who'll listen that paying ~$54 million for the next 3 years to a guy with a below-average PER is not a good strategy. 

And honestly, the Grizzlies had the most success in franchise history when Gay was out with an injury, so I don't feel too bad for them.  Losing all those role players might be a bigger blow than trading Gay.

Agreed.  They looked at their best with Battier at SF.  Conley / Allen / Randolph / Gasol is good enough to be competitive.  They just need a fairly deep cast of role players to back them up, something they don't have right now.
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2013, 11:27:16 AM »
The thing about blowing up the Grizz is that this is something that has been assumed would happen since they signed their 3 stars.  It was assumed that their market couldn't handle the three max or close to max contracts for an extended period, and most of the analysts assumed that they just signed them all to maintain their value, but then eventually trade one or two of them.

So, I am not sure this is really a change in philosophy, I just think the pressure is on now that the new luxury tax is kicking in, and they need to finally pull the trigger. 

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2013, 11:28:48 AM »
The thing about blowing up the Grizz is that this is something that has been assumed would happen since they signed their 3 stars.  It was assumed that their market couldn't handle the three max or close to max contracts for an extended period, and most of the analysts assumed that they just signed them all to maintain their value, but then eventually trade one or two of them.

So, I am not sure this is really a change in philosophy, I just think the pressure is on now that the new luxury tax is kicking in, and they need to finally pull the trigger.

That's a solid point.  Z-Bo wasn't meant to be a fixture for them.  They got him for very little from the Clippers and it just happened that he really worked out for them.  But I don't think they expected to pay him long term. 


This trend also started before the new ownership group -- they were trying to trade O.J. Mayo for a couple years because they didn't want to have to pay him as well as Rudy Gay.
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2013, 11:29:12 AM »
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2013, 11:29:31 AM »
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2013, 11:30:00 AM »
Who knows how much sway Hollinger actually has, but I guarantee he's telling everyone who'll listen that paying ~$54 million for the next 3 years to a guy with a below-average PER is not a good strategy. 

And honestly, the Grizzlies had the most success in franchise history when Gay was out with an injury, so I don't feel too bad for them.  Losing all those role players might be a bigger blow than trading Gay.

Agreed.  They looked at their best with Battier at SF.  Conley / Allen / Randolph / Gasol is good enough to be competitive.  They just need a fairly deep cast of role players to back them up, something they don't have right now.

Except battier was a different era altogether for Memphis..oj mayo and tony Allen flourished when gay was out and they made the second round

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2013, 11:31:15 AM »
The thing about blowing up the Grizz is that this is something that has been assumed would happen since they signed their 3 stars.  It was assumed that their market couldn't handle the three max or close to max contracts for an extended period, and most of the analysts assumed that they just signed them all to maintain their value, but then eventually trade one or two of them.

So, I am not sure this is really a change in philosophy, I just think the pressure is on now that the new luxury tax is kicking in, and they need to finally pull the trigger.

That's a solid point.  Z-Bo wasn't meant to be a fixture for them.  They got him for very little from the Clippers and it just happened that he really worked out for them.  But I don't think they expected to pay him long term. 


I also think they didn't really want to keep Gay from the beginning either (although there were rumors that their old owner LOVED him).  I think they just realized that he had value, and that they didn't want to lose that value for nothing.  So, basically, they signed him, and have been waiting for the right time to trade him. 

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2013, 11:40:41 AM »
Who knows how much sway Hollinger actually has, but I guarantee he's telling everyone who'll listen that paying ~$54 million for the next 3 years to a guy with a below-average PER is not a good strategy. 

And honestly, the Grizzlies had the most success in franchise history when Gay was out with an injury, so I don't feel too bad for them.  Losing all those role players might be a bigger blow than trading Gay.

Agreed.  They looked at their best with Battier at SF.  Conley / Allen / Randolph / Gasol is good enough to be competitive.  They just need a fairly deep cast of role players to back them up, something they don't have right now.

Except battier was a different era altogether for Memphis..oj mayo and tony Allen flourished when gay was out and they made the second round
The team flourished, Mayo not at all. He continued to shoot at 40% and get just 22 MPG like he had since Tony supplanted him in the rotation.

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2013, 11:45:07 AM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2013, 11:48:51 AM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.

Meh, I wouldn't do it.

17 mil and 19.5 mil for Rudy Gay is just way too much.
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2013, 12:07:28 PM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.

Meh, I wouldn't do it.

17 mil and 19.5 mil for Rudy Gay is just way too much.

That is what Memphis is saying.
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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2013, 12:08:11 PM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.

Hollinger has a Jeff Green voodoo doll that he stabs every night before he goes to bed.

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2013, 12:10:33 PM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.

I live in Boston, and I know all about the Celtics.  I don't guarantee you anything about what Danny would do. 

No offense, and I am sure you are more connected to the Grizz than most people on here.  But I think its going a bit far to suggest that you know whether or not they would accept a deal.

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2013, 12:25:44 PM »
The thing about blowing up the Grizz is that this is something that has been assumed would happen since they signed their 3 stars.  It was assumed that their market couldn't handle the three max or close to max contracts for an extended period, and most of the analysts assumed that they just signed them all to maintain their value, but then eventually trade one or two of them.

So, I am not sure this is really a change in philosophy, I just think the pressure is on now that the new luxury tax is kicking in, and they need to finally pull the trigger.

That's a solid point.  Z-Bo wasn't meant to be a fixture for them.  They got him for very little from the Clippers and it just happened that he really worked out for them.  But I don't think they expected to pay him long term. 


I also think they didn't really want to keep Gay from the beginning either (although there were rumors that their old owner LOVED him).  I think they just realized that he had value, and that they didn't want to lose that value for nothing.  So, basically, they signed him, and have been waiting for the right time to trade him.

I don't think Colangelo re-signed guys like Bargnani, Calderon and Derozon to long, big money contracts with future trades in mind but I think he had the same mentality that Heisley did when he re-signed Gay: not being able to let go, seeing more positives than negatives, wanting to let things develop more and so on and so on.  It's kind of fitting that he's pursuing Gay now.  When Gay got a max deal, I think it surprised almost everyone.  Colangelo might have been the only other person who would've given Gay a max deal too.  They deserve each other in a way.   

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Re: I feel for Memphis fans and players
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2013, 12:29:17 PM »
I live in TN and know all about the Grizzlies.

I guarantee you they would take Green and Bass for Gay if Ainge could find a 3rd team to absorb Bass's contract with expiring players for their 2nd unit.

Meh, I wouldn't do it.

17 mil and 19.5 mil for Rudy Gay is just way too much.

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