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Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2013, 12:17:03 AM »

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I am not even going to read this thread, but I have heard numerous people in the last few days who know what is going on -- Jackie M. for one -- and all of them say that there is strong affection for Rondo in the locker room, especially from the real leader of the team, KG. It's funny to me that so many here debunk any rumors they read from anyone associated with ESPN or the Globe, etc. (because of course those people are all morons), but yet they come here and talk about how they are sure teammates secretly dislike Rondo, and so on. With absolutely ZERO evidence.  :-[

Apparently Felger has brainwashed/poisend the minds of many a Celtic fan.

Every last bit of garbage I have read here lately has been a word for word regurgitation of the crap he spews.

I blame Michael Felger for all of this.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2013, 12:18:28 AM »

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I think this team has been underachieving for a variety of reasons and Rondo's play and Pierce's play,  are two of them, though, IMHO, they are down on the bottom of the list.

One of the things on the top of the list is the players Danny put together to make up this team. Terry and Barbosa are players that want the ball in their hands and want to score, sometimes to the detriment of a team offense. Now we have Lee and Bass complaining of touches or the offense. We also have a player that left for personal reasons and a big who is useless and another that can never stay healthy.

I think Danny messed up this summer. He never got a decent backup big man worth a [dang]. Several players in the locker room were expecting to continue to play their game, regardless of how the Celtics functioned. Danny must have thought that if KG, PP and RA would sacrifice their games to make a team better than others would too. Obviously he was wrong.

I see a house cleaning in this team's future.

nah I disagree. I think Doc messed up.

Doc has been saying since forever that he wanted to run more and wanted more athleticism because the Big 3 or 4 couldn't close out games by themselves. This is when you have a team who's bench consists of Ryan Hollins, Greg Steimsa, Marquise, Dooling, Peaches, that Sean guy (lol) and Wilcox. Not a bunch of freaks of nature there.

so DA went out and got what Doc wanted. But Doc just assumed he could run and all that with the system he had but that's an untruth. Especially with the players he has.

Like I said. And I will continue to say. This team needed a shake up to get Docs attention. This could be a blessing in disguise because right now Doc is saying all the right things (doesn't mean he will do it).

Take the 2nd unit for example. Best unit we got. Why? They run. They play loose. They have pace. Copy and paste that for all...we win games. We compete. We can *gasp* contend
I think this second unit is rather awful. They have some nice career stats but as a cohesive unit, they suck.

dude you are seriously rondo'd. I don't know how you can flip the initial issue back to Lee. If the rumor is true, and i believe it is, he just being honest. He has played in the league enough years to know what he doesn't appreciate on the court. Why does he get zero touches for 4 minutes and have to bust his azz off on defense?? The guy is not a defensive specialist naturally

If rondo by himself Jordan us to the top of the standings, then nobody can say anything bad. I'd trade lee in 2 seconds if this were the case. BUT its not the case and we have been losing all year 50 percent of the time. The celts team is packed with talent , enough so that we should be a top three team in the conference.

I guess once we go on a honest and simple winning streak continuing with beat sac tomorrow, you might slightly sober up from Rondo mania.

The bolded part just made me spit up my drink.  No way are we top 3 in talent in the east.  Our two best players we have left are both over 35 years old.  We have one great big, KG, and one with a lot of potential Sully.  We have one formerly great player, who is still great sometimes PP. 

Almost the whole rest of the roster is filled out with good role players.  We have a decent roster, but especially with Rondo out now, we probably have more like 5th-8th seed talent.  Miami, Chicago, NYK, Brook, Indiana, Atlanta all have better talent that us in my opinion.  Not that it matters, we tend to get by on effort and guts and a lot of intangibles.  But to say we have top 3 talent?  Maybe in 2010 we did before Shaq got injured, but not now.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2013, 12:22:26 AM »

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I don't get why Zach Lowe would suddenly bring this up now...this "issue" has become irrelevant. Just seems like more unnecessary drama for the Celtics/Rondo.

Of course, all three are referencing Lee. Never thought of blaming Rondo, huh?
Lee has been playing just like we wanted him to when we traded for him. His threes have been going IN, maybe Rajon is at fault this time. Who knows? But it certainly isn't all Lee's fault. He's been outstanding,

Lee is shooting .329% on threes this season. That's...not good.

Exactly.  So would all of you rather have Lee than Rondo?  Is that what a lot of you are saying?  Lee is a role player, Rondo is a superstar. 

I like Lee, I like his hustle, he has been working hard on D and was a good role player pick up.  If he is upset, he should probably talk to Doc directly.  Who knows what really happened anyways.  It hasn't impacted his effort.  I think this is a non-story other than the over reaction on this board.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2013, 12:36:03 AM »

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I don't get why Zach Lowe would suddenly bring this up now...this "issue" has become irrelevant. Just seems like more unnecessary drama for the Celtics/Rondo.

Of course, all three are referencing Lee. Never thought of blaming Rondo, huh?
Lee has been playing just like we wanted him to when we traded for him. His threes have been going IN, maybe Rajon is at fault this time. Who knows? But it certainly isn't all Lee's fault. He's been outstanding,

Lee is shooting .329% on threes this season. That's...not good.

Exactly.  So would all of you rather have Lee than Rondo?  Is that what a lot of you are saying?  Lee is a role player, Rondo is a superstar. 

I like Lee, I like his hustle, he has been working hard on D and was a good role player pick up.  If he is upset, he should probably talk to Doc directly.  Who knows what really happened anyways.  It hasn't impacted his effort.  I think this is a non-story other than the over reaction on this board.

Hes an allstar not a superstar.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2013, 12:38:09 AM »

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We are deep. This age thing is crappy excuse. There's ways around it, like play less min. Tell me how is san Antonio still so good? We compare well to them in terms of lineup makeup. Actually we r deeper imo.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2013, 12:42:41 AM »

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*sigh*

has anyone also stopped to think that MAYBE Zach Lowe did a bad paraphrasing?

You know how in elementary school we used to play telephone, and by the time it got to the end the message could've been completely different?

I really think this is, again, a non-story. You all are making it that Lee hates Rondo and his style of play. Maybe Lee is saying he wants to run more. Maybe he wants to do more. Who knows?

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2013, 12:43:32 AM »

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I don't get why Zach Lowe would suddenly bring this up now...this "issue" has become irrelevant. Just seems like more unnecessary drama for the Celtics/Rondo.

Of course, all three are referencing Lee. Never thought of blaming Rondo, huh?
Lee has been playing just like we wanted him to when we traded for him. His threes have been going IN, maybe Rajon is at fault this time. Who knows? But it certainly isn't all Lee's fault. He's been outstanding,

Lee is shooting .329% on threes this season. That's...not good.

Exactly.  So would all of you rather have Lee than Rondo?  Is that what a lot of you are saying?  Lee is a role player, Rondo is a superstar. 

I like Lee, I like his hustle, he has been working hard on D and was a good role player pick up.  If he is upset, he should probably talk to Doc directly.  Who knows what really happened anyways.  It hasn't impacted his effort.  I think this is a non-story other than the over reaction on this board.

Hes an allstar not a superstar.

Depends on who you ask.  Eh, ok either way.  Doesn't really change my point. 

Who would you say are superstars?  LJ, KD, Kobe, Melo, CP3, DH, Dwade?  He has to be at least in the conversation.


Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #127 on: January 30, 2013, 12:45:53 AM »

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I think this team has been underachieving for a variety of reasons and Rondo's play and Pierce's play,  are two of them, though, IMHO, they are down on the bottom of the list.

One of the things on the top of the list is the players Danny put together to make up this team. Terry and Barbosa are players that want the ball in their hands and want to score, sometimes to the detriment of a team offense. Now we have Lee and Bass complaining of touches or the offense. We also have a player that left for personal reasons and a big who is useless and another that can never stay healthy.

I think Danny messed up this summer. He never got a decent backup big man worth a [dang]. Several players in the locker room were expecting to continue to play their game, regardless of how the Celtics functioned. Danny must have thought that if KG, PP and RA would sacrifice their games to make a team better than others would too. Obviously he was wrong.

I see a house cleaning in this team's future.

nah I disagree. I think Doc messed up.

Doc has been saying since forever that he wanted to run more and wanted more athleticism because the Big 3 or 4 couldn't close out games by themselves. This is when you have a team who's bench consists of Ryan Hollins, Greg Steimsa, Marquise, Dooling, Peaches, that Sean guy (lol) and Wilcox. Not a bunch of freaks of nature there.

so DA went out and got what Doc wanted. But Doc just assumed he could run and all that with the system he had but that's an untruth. Especially with the players he has.

Like I said. And I will continue to say. This team needed a shake up to get Docs attention. This could be a blessing in disguise because right now Doc is saying all the right things (doesn't mean he will do it).

Take the 2nd unit for example. Best unit we got. Why? They run. They play loose. They have pace. Copy and paste that for all...we win games. We compete. We can *gasp* contend
I think this second unit is rather awful. They have some nice career stats but as a cohesive unit, they suck.

dude you are seriously rondo'd. I don't know how you can flip the initial issue back to Lee. If the rumor is true, and i believe it is, he just being honest. He has played in the league enough years to know what he doesn't appreciate on the court. Why does he get zero touches for 4 minutes and have to bust his azz off on defense?? The guy is not a defensive specialist naturally

If rondo by himself Jordan us to the top of the standings, then nobody can say anything bad. I'd trade lee in 2 seconds if this were the case. BUT its not the case and we have been losing all year 50 percent of the time. The celts team is packed with talent , enough so that we should be a top three team in the conference.

I guess once we go on a honest and simple winning streak continuing with beat sac tomorrow, you might slightly sober up from Rondo mania.

The bolded part just made me spit up my drink.  No way are we top 3 in talent in the east.  Our two best players we have left are both over 35 years old.  We have one great big, KG, and one with a lot of potential Sully.  We have one formerly great player, who is still great sometimes PP. 

Almost the whole rest of the roster is filled out with good role players.  We have a decent roster, but especially with Rondo out now, we probably have more like 5th-8th seed talent.  Miami, Chicago, NYK, Brook, Indiana, Atlanta all have better talent that us in my opinion.  Not that it matters, we tend to get by on effort and guts and a lot of intangibles.  But to say we have top 3 talent?  Maybe in 2010 we did before Shaq got injured, but not now.

I don't get it... you say we have the talent w/o RR to be a 5th seed but that we aren't top 3 with him? What did we have the talent for, 4th seed, with RR? So with RR we are slightly better? If you think a team without RR could be a 5th seed, I don't see why it's so absurd to say we have the talent for a 3rd seed WITH RR.
It takes me 3hrs to get to Miami and 1hr to get to Orlando... but I *SPIT* on their NBA teams! "Bless God and bless the (Celts)"-Lady GaGa (she said gays but she really meant Celts)

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2013, 12:46:41 AM »

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Lee has been on 4 teams in 5 years. Not one of those teams lamented the fact they lost him.

Why?

Lee now comes out and if letting people know he doesn't like the way Rondo runs the team.

Is it any coincidence that there were rumors that Danny Ainge was putting a full court press on acquiring JJ. Reddick

What about the earlier articles of players not acting right after losses or taking losing seriously?

Come on people. Wake up. Read between the lines. Lee is a malcontent or locker room headcase. He didn't fit in in other locker rooms and probably doesn't fit well here. Danny is looking to replace him and has targeted Reddick. And why is that? Probably because he feels his game is bigger than it is or because he wants more shots to prove to everyone that it is.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2013, 12:50:06 AM »

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I think this team has been underachieving for a variety of reasons and Rondo's play and Pierce's play,  are two of them, though, IMHO, they are down on the bottom of the list.

One of the things on the top of the list is the players Danny put together to make up this team. Terry and Barbosa are players that want the ball in their hands and want to score, sometimes to the detriment of a team offense. Now we have Lee and Bass complaining of touches or the offense. We also have a player that left for personal reasons and a big who is useless and another that can never stay healthy.

I think Danny messed up this summer. He never got a decent backup big man worth a [dang]. Several players in the locker room were expecting to continue to play their game, regardless of how the Celtics functioned. Danny must have thought that if KG, PP and RA would sacrifice their games to make a team better than others would too. Obviously he was wrong.

I see a house cleaning in this team's future.

nah I disagree. I think Doc messed up.

Doc has been saying since forever that he wanted to run more and wanted more athleticism because the Big 3 or 4 couldn't close out games by themselves. This is when you have a team who's bench consists of Ryan Hollins, Greg Steimsa, Marquise, Dooling, Peaches, that Sean guy (lol) and Wilcox. Not a bunch of freaks of nature there.

so DA went out and got what Doc wanted. But Doc just assumed he could run and all that with the system he had but that's an untruth. Especially with the players he has.

Like I said. And I will continue to say. This team needed a shake up to get Docs attention. This could be a blessing in disguise because right now Doc is saying all the right things (doesn't mean he will do it).

Take the 2nd unit for example. Best unit we got. Why? They run. They play loose. They have pace. Copy and paste that for all...we win games. We compete. We can *gasp* contend
I think this second unit is rather awful. They have some nice career stats but as a cohesive unit, they suck.

dude you are seriously rondo'd. I don't know how you can flip the initial issue back to Lee. If the rumor is true, and i believe it is, he just being honest. He has played in the league enough years to know what he doesn't appreciate on the court. Why does he get zero touches for 4 minutes and have to bust his azz off on defense?? The guy is not a defensive specialist naturally

If rondo by himself Jordan us to the top of the standings, then nobody can say anything bad. I'd trade lee in 2 seconds if this were the case. BUT its not the case and we have been losing all year 50 percent of the time. The celts team is packed with talent , enough so that we should be a top three team in the conference.

I guess once we go on a honest and simple winning streak continuing with beat sac tomorrow, you might slightly sober up from Rondo mania.

The bolded part just made me spit up my drink.  No way are we top 3 in talent in the east.  Our two best players we have left are both over 35 years old.  We have one great big, KG, and one with a lot of potential Sully.  We have one formerly great player, who is still great sometimes PP. 

Almost the whole rest of the roster is filled out with good role players.  We have a decent roster, but especially with Rondo out now, we probably have more like 5th-8th seed talent.  Miami, Chicago, NYK, Brook, Indiana, Atlanta all have better talent that us in my opinion.  Not that it matters, we tend to get by on effort and guts and a lot of intangibles.  But to say we have top 3 talent?  Maybe in 2010 we did before Shaq got injured, but not now.

I don't get it... you say we have the talent w/o RR to be a 5th seed but that we aren't top 3 with him? What did we have the talent for, 4th seed, with RR? So with RR we are slightly better? If you think a team without RR could be a 5th seed, I don't see why it's so absurd to say we have the talent for a 3rd seed WITH RR.

well, i think everyone is crazy to believe that we aren't underachieving.

I called us to be between 2-4 seed with Rondo...
I think we can be 3-6 without.

This is a team game. If we play to the team's strength, we could much much better. We have lots of weapons, but everyone seems to just scratch that off the list.

ALL RONDO EVERYTHING!

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2013, 12:51:09 AM »

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I don't get why Zach Lowe would suddenly bring this up now...this "issue" has become irrelevant. Just seems like more unnecessary drama for the Celtics/Rondo.

Of course, all three are referencing Lee. Never thought of blaming Rondo, huh?
Lee has been playing just like we wanted him to when we traded for him. His threes have been going IN, maybe Rajon is at fault this time. Who knows? But it certainly isn't all Lee's fault. He's been outstanding,

Lee is shooting .329% on threes this season. That's...not good.

Exactly.  So would all of you rather have Lee than Rondo?  Is that what a lot of you are saying?  Lee is a role player, Rondo is a superstar. 

I like Lee, I like his hustle, he has been working hard on D and was a good role player pick up.  If he is upset, he should probably talk to Doc directly.  Who knows what really happened anyways.  It hasn't impacted his effort.  I think this is a non-story other than the over reaction on this board.

Hes an allstar not a superstar.

Depends on who you ask.  Eh, ok either way.  Doesn't really change my point. 

Who would you say are superstars?  LJ, KD, Kobe, Melo, CP3, DH, Dwade?  He has to be at least in the conversation.

Yes the guys you named are superstars. I mean i guess its fair to put him in the conversation but that's it. He is not in the same league as the guys you named. I think he has ability to be a superstar tho if he actually put in the effort to become one on a consistent basis.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2013, 12:52:11 AM »

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Lee has been on 4 teams in 5 years. Not one of those teams lamented the fact they lost him.

Why?

Lee now comes out and if letting people know he doesn't like the way Rondo runs the team.

Is it any coincidence that there were rumors that Danny Ainge was putting a full court press on acquiring JJ. Reddick

What about the earlier articles of players not acting right after losses or taking losing seriously?

Come on people. Wake up. Read between the lines. Lee is a malcontent or locker room headcase. He didn't fit in in other locker rooms and probably doesn't fit well here. Danny is looking to replace him and has targeted Reddick. And why is that? Probably because he feels his game is bigger than it is or because he wants more shots to prove to everyone that it is.

he hasn't come out and said anything. that's first and foremost.

you may have a point, but it's nothing more than a theory. I find it hard to believe Lee, one of the only guys that tweets in distaste of the losses, is a malcontent in the locker room. but i guess it's possible.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2013, 12:53:52 AM »

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I think this team has been underachieving for a variety of reasons and Rondo's play and Pierce's play,  are two of them, though, IMHO, they are down on the bottom of the list.

One of the things on the top of the list is the players Danny put together to make up this team. Terry and Barbosa are players that want the ball in their hands and want to score, sometimes to the detriment of a team offense. Now we have Lee and Bass complaining of touches or the offense. We also have a player that left for personal reasons and a big who is useless and another that can never stay healthy.

I think Danny messed up this summer. He never got a decent backup big man worth a [dang]. Several players in the locker room were expecting to continue to play their game, regardless of how the Celtics functioned. Danny must have thought that if KG, PP and RA would sacrifice their games to make a team better than others would too. Obviously he was wrong.

I see a house cleaning in this team's future.

nah I disagree. I think Doc messed up.

Doc has been saying since forever that he wanted to run more and wanted more athleticism because the Big 3 or 4 couldn't close out games by themselves. This is when you have a team who's bench consists of Ryan Hollins, Greg Steimsa, Marquise, Dooling, Peaches, that Sean guy (lol) and Wilcox. Not a bunch of freaks of nature there.

so DA went out and got what Doc wanted. But Doc just assumed he could run and all that with the system he had but that's an untruth. Especially with the players he has.

Like I said. And I will continue to say. This team needed a shake up to get Docs attention. This could be a blessing in disguise because right now Doc is saying all the right things (doesn't mean he will do it).

Take the 2nd unit for example. Best unit we got. Why? They run. They play loose. They have pace. Copy and paste that for all...we win games. We compete. We can *gasp* contend
I think this second unit is rather awful. They have some nice career stats but as a cohesive unit, they suck.

dude you are seriously rondo'd. I don't know how you can flip the initial issue back to Lee. If the rumor is true, and i believe it is, he just being honest. He has played in the league enough years to know what he doesn't appreciate on the court. Why does he get zero touches for 4 minutes and have to bust his azz off on defense?? The guy is not a defensive specialist naturally

If rondo by himself Jordan us to the top of the standings, then nobody can say anything bad. I'd trade lee in 2 seconds if this were the case. BUT its not the case and we have been losing all year 50 percent of the time. The celts team is packed with talent , enough so that we should be a top three team in the conference.

I guess once we go on a honest and simple winning streak continuing with beat sac tomorrow, you might slightly sober up from Rondo mania.

The bolded part just made me spit up my drink.  No way are we top 3 in talent in the east.  Our two best players we have left are both over 35 years old.  We have one great big, KG, and one with a lot of potential Sully.  We have one formerly great player, who is still great sometimes PP. 

Almost the whole rest of the roster is filled out with good role players.  We have a decent roster, but especially with Rondo out now, we probably have more like 5th-8th seed talent.  Miami, Chicago, NYK, Brook, Indiana, Atlanta all have better talent that us in my opinion.  Not that it matters, we tend to get by on effort and guts and a lot of intangibles.  But to say we have top 3 talent?  Maybe in 2010 we did before Shaq got injured, but not now.

I don't get it... you say we have the talent w/o RR to be a 5th seed but that we aren't top 3 with him? What did we have the talent for, 4th seed, with RR? So with RR we are slightly better? If you think a team without RR could be a 5th seed, I don't see why it's so absurd to say we have the talent for a 3rd seed WITH RR.

I didn't say anything about our talent level WITH Rondo.  Re-read my post.  You even highlighted in your post.  My comment was with Rondo OUT we are probably 5-8th seed talent. 

With Rondo, I honestly don't know where we stand talent wise, obviously higher.  But unfortunately our record certainly doesn't seem to indicate it.  1/2 way into the season, with no major injuries (pre Rondo injury) you pretty much are what your record says.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #133 on: January 30, 2013, 12:55:49 AM »

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I don't get why Zach Lowe would suddenly bring this up now...this "issue" has become irrelevant. Just seems like more unnecessary drama for the Celtics/Rondo.

Of course, all three are referencing Lee. Never thought of blaming Rondo, huh?
Lee has been playing just like we wanted him to when we traded for him. His threes have been going IN, maybe Rajon is at fault this time. Who knows? But it certainly isn't all Lee's fault. He's been outstanding,

Lee is shooting .329% on threes this season. That's...not good.

Exactly.  So would all of you rather have Lee than Rondo?  Is that what a lot of you are saying?  Lee is a role player, Rondo is a superstar. 

I like Lee, I like his hustle, he has been working hard on D and was a good role player pick up.  If he is upset, he should probably talk to Doc directly.  Who knows what really happened anyways.  It hasn't impacted his effort.  I think this is a non-story other than the over reaction on this board.

Hes an allstar not a superstar.

Depends on who you ask.  Eh, ok either way.  Doesn't really change my point. 

Who would you say are superstars?  LJ, KD, Kobe, Melo, CP3, DH, Dwade?  He has to be at least in the conversation.

Yes the guys you named are superstars. I mean i guess its fair to put him in the conversation but that's it. He is not in the same league as the guys you named. I think he has ability to be a superstar tho if he actually put in the effort to become one on a consistent basis.

I guess I pretty much agree. Maybe if Rondo could develop a decent 3-point shot, he could get into that club.  Man that would really help our spacing.

Re: Report: Lee unhappy in Boston due to Rondo's play style
« Reply #134 on: January 30, 2013, 12:56:17 AM »

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Lee has been on 4 teams in 5 years. Not one of those teams lamented the fact they lost him.

Why?

Lee now comes out and if letting people know he doesn't like the way Rondo runs the team.

Is it any coincidence that there were rumors that Danny Ainge was putting a full court press on acquiring JJ. Reddick

What about the earlier articles of players not acting right after losses or taking losing seriously?

Come on people. Wake up. Read between the lines. Lee is a malcontent or locker room headcase. He didn't fit in in other locker rooms and probably doesn't fit well here. Danny is looking to replace him and has targeted Reddick. And why is that? Probably because he feels his game is bigger than it is or because he wants more shots to prove to everyone that it is.

Well, if this is true, then I doubt there is any chance Orlando would take him back.  That said, Orlando should regret trading him for "Wince" Carter.  That was a seriously bad move.

Personally, I like the way Lee has been playing, but do wonder if some of the rumors of players not having the "right" mentality were about Lee, especially now.