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Offline Galeto

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2013, 01:06:58 AM »
I have a different gut feeling, that the Warriors aren't a championship contender despite their feel-good but no less legitimate status this season and because their best players are still young or very young, they shouldn't be trading youth for age right now.  They have the potential to develop a long window if Barnes develops and Boguts gets healthy.  It'd be foolish to get impatient.  I put the chances of the Warriors trading for Pierce as not even considering it and feeling excited about Barnes.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2013, 01:09:08 AM »
This is the trade Id offer the Warriors if in fact we were actively entertaining trading Pierce, which Im not necessarily I favor of:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=byn5jc4

Celtics Trade: Pierce, Bass, Melo, 2013 first top 10 protected, top 5 protected 2014
Warriors Trade: Bogut, Jefferson, Barnes

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2013, 01:11:41 AM »
i really do think Pierce will NOT be traded
of course thats MY gut feeling.
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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2013, 01:16:20 AM »
i really do think Pierce will NOT be traded
of course thats MY gut feeling.

That's also my gut feeling. For Pierce to be traded, I think we'd need picks or prospects coming back.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2013, 02:25:34 AM »
I am sure GS would love to get out from under the remaining contract that Biedrins has and would love to add a veteran presence like Pierce who has a championship pedigree, But to do so at the cost of losing Barnes and adding long term money like Bass', I think, is extremely unlikely.

BTW, could Biedrins, at this point, be considered the worst player in the NBA. Certainly his contract may have been, along with Eddie Curry's, one of the worst contracts in NBA history.
No.  Worst contract obviously, but not the worst player.  He's not even worse than Jason Collins has been this year (and I'm sure there's plenty of guys below him).  He's just one-dimensional.  Poor man's Reggie Evans.  Maybe slightly worse defensively, but makes more of his dunks.  Even in inconsistent minutes he's still getting 12 rebounds per 36.

You gotta have some perspective when talking about what Biedrin's potential was thought to be.  Dude had 12 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, and 58% FG% in 30 mpg.  At 22 years of age. 

Only 3 other guys have done that, Barkley, Shaq, and Wilt.

Shaq was the only one to do it that young.

If you add in his 1 steal per game, you can take Shaq off that list.

If you add in his 1.5 blocks per game, you can take Barkley off that list.

If you look at it on a per minute basis (which you should because those guys played 40), you can again eliminate Shaq, Barkley and all but 3 seasons Wilt ever had.  He was over 30 years old in each of them.

To pile on, he did ALL OF THAT the season before at age 21 too.  That year he played 3 less minutes (27) and averaged 1 less assist, but led the league with 62.6% FG%.  That season is statistically unmatched by any player other than the year Wilt tightened his FGA per game by 17!! and led Philly to the championship.
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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2013, 09:49:21 AM »
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amzn9pw

Trade them KG and PP for Harrison Barnes, their draft pick, and a bunch of filler (Landry, Biedrins, Rush, Jefferson)


Is getting one lottery pick in Harrison Barnes (plus tanking this year to get a 2nd lottery pick) worth trading both KG and PP?

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2013, 10:06:35 AM »
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amzn9pw

Trade them KG and PP for Harrison Barnes, their draft pick, and a bunch of filler (Landry, Biedrins, Rush, Jefferson)


Is getting one lottery pick in Harrison Barnes (plus tanking this year to get a 2nd lottery pick) worth trading both KG and PP?

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2013, 10:11:19 AM »
i really love to see pierce as celtics next year,

kg and pierce are the reason we still on this even if its #8

we need veteran presence

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #68 on: January 29, 2013, 10:14:21 AM »
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amzn9pw

Trade them KG and PP for Harrison Barnes, their draft pick, and a bunch of filler (Landry, Biedrins, Rush, Jefferson)


Is getting one lottery pick in Harrison Barnes (plus tanking this year to get a 2nd lottery pick) worth trading both KG and PP?

Jay, I think you're going too far. Realize how much filler that is... Biedrins and Jefferson are due ten million apiece for the next two years! You won't have a watchable basketball team until 2015.

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Re: Bogut Returns - Gut Feeling Pierce to Warriors
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2013, 10:17:24 AM »
How about:
Pierce and Bass to Warriors
Barnes, Jack, Landry and Jefferson to Celtics

Jarrett Jack is very good PG, Barnes has huge upside, Landry is upgrade over Bass, and Jefferson can backup Green

Jack/Terry/Barbosa
Bradley/Lee/Terry
Green/Barnes/Jefferson
Sullinger/Landry/Wilcox
Garnett/Wilcox/Melo/Collins
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