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Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 02:30:25 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?


kg missed several games the year we won the title...the team rallied and was something like 10-2 or better without him...he came back and we went on to win the title.
the next year he got hurt..team did fine...he ended up being out for the year and they crashed and burned in the second round

 were we better without kg?

short term, we were fine
 long term, no

No man. KG missed all playoff in 2008-09, 1 season after the title.


yeah I don't see what you're not understanding but clearly you're not. rondo is out for the playoffs just like kg that year and the team weathered the storm initially but has no realistic shot at a title

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2013, 02:30:43 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?

Short term = Yesterday

Long term = rest of this season and the playoffs.

There is no long term if you disccus the present situation(season).

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2013, 02:34:11 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?

Short term = Yesterday

Long term = rest of this season and the playoffs.

There is no long term if you disccus the present situation(season).

Of course there is.

I have no idea what you're getting at.


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Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2013, 02:34:30 PM »

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I think the team is clearly worse off without Rondo, however to stir the pot here are the Celtics numbers with and without him
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4701661/with-or-without-you

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Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2013, 02:34:40 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?

Short term = Yesterday

Long term = rest of this season and the playoffs.

There is no long term if you disccus the present situation(season).


yes. long term as in the whole season.rondo is a special postseason player...we'll be lucky to make it to the second round but will probably be fine the next 2 weeks

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2013, 02:36:03 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

Game 7 elimination in the 2nd round against the eventual East champs, over playing Scalabrine who had been suffering from a concussion (and play with the symptoms) and Powe who blew-out his ACL during the playoffs... oh, and no real back-up SF. We had an injured TA who barely got on the floor in the playoffs.

I'll take it. In fact, that series we should've won, even without KG, we were the better team, but you know... Rondo was no match for Anthony Johnson's penetrating prowess.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2013, 02:40:10 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?

Short term = Yesterday

Long term = rest of this season and the playoffs.

There is no long term if you disccus the present situation(season).


yes. long term as in the whole season.rondo is a special postseason player...we'll be lucky to make it to the second round but will probably be fine the next 2 weeks

Long term for this season does not have sense. So, Vs HEAT and NYK Cs won without Rondo, playing really better. Do not forget that PLAYOFF means playing agianst the same HEAT or NYK or ohter contenders.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2013, 02:43:59 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?

Short term = Yesterday

Long term = rest of this season and the playoffs.

There is no long term if you disccus the present situation(season).


yes. long term as in the whole season.rondo is a special postseason player...we'll be lucky to make it to the second round but will probably be fine the next 2 weeks

Long term for this season does not have sense. So, Vs HEAT and NYK Cs won without Rondo, playing really better. Do not forget that PLAYOFF means playing agianst the same HEAT or NYK or ohter contenders.

yikes..those wins over New York and Miami were the team stepping up with rondo(in their minds) out for the short term...happens all the time in the nba when a teams best player is out...IT'S NOT sustainable long term in the playoffs. man this injury has caused serious delusions

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 02:50:41 PM »

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Long-term, this team is worse without Rondo.  Period.

 Regarding NBA Game Time, without Rondo the score is 25-16 from 2008 till now.


find our record without kg...it's possibly better then that..but long term we saw how that panned out.

What do you mean long term?


kg missed several games the year we won the title...the team rallied and was something like 10-2 or better without him...he came back and we went on to win the title.
the next year he got hurt..team did fine...he ended up being out for the year and they crashed and burned in the second round

 were we better without kg?

short term, we were fine
 long term, no

No man. KG missed all playoff in 2008-09, 1 season after the title.

  During that season we won over 70% of the games KG missed. That didn't really help a lot in the playoffs.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 02:53:58 PM »

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Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo. If you see 2 wins in last 2-3 week Vs NYK and HEAT. Defensively, Rondo is not a good playmaker. Yesterday Terry and Barbosa played much better, giving less and less space to the HEAT plays. In offensive, we see better work team. Really was hard to figure out who was the real playmaker because we see integral play between Terry, Lee and Barbosa during the game.

  I saw much of the Heat game but not all of it, but I remember an announcer saying that they put in Barbosa to cover Cole because he'd been abusing Terry. I don't think a team that brings in Leandro Barbosa to shore up it's defense is sitting as pretty as you think. Oh, and we didn't have one of our better offensive games yesterday, not knowing who the playmaker is doesn't always lead to more efficient scoring.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2013, 02:59:06 PM »

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Oh, and we didn't have one of our better offensive games yesterday, not knowing who the playmaker is doesn't always lead to more efficient scoring.

To base all offensive only in Rondos hands and desires to delivery the ball, is less productive than having better players to move the ball more for the team. Is a matter of strategies how to built the offensive plays.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2013, 02:59:31 PM »

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The last 3 NBA champions won championships with serviceable point guards.  Point guards who were not expected to carry the bulk of the offense but to manage the game.  Chalmers, Kidd, Fisher.  Rondo is not a necessity for this team to be successful. 

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2013, 03:03:12 PM »

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I think the team is clearly worse off without Rondo, however to stir the pot here are the Celtics numbers with and without him
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4701661/with-or-without-you

We are talking about this season.

Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2013, 03:05:33 PM »

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I think the team is clearly worse off without Rondo, however to stir the pot here are the Celtics numbers with and without him
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4701661/with-or-without-you

We are talking about this season.
The article is several paragraphs with charts and you can't be bothered to read the entire thing? Look at the last chart, it compares Boston's production this season with and without Rondo.
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Re: Is a fact: this team play better without Rondo
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2013, 03:08:24 PM »

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Oh, and we didn't have one of our better offensive games yesterday, not knowing who the playmaker is doesn't always lead to more efficient scoring.

To base all offensive only in Rondos hands and desires to delivery the ball, is less productive than having better players to move the ball more for the team. Is a matter of strategies how to built the offensive plays.

  Rondo having the ball more generally leads to a more productive offense even if you label it a less productive strategy.