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[dark_lord]

ray decided he didn't want to stay here.  so this entire thread is kinda irrelevent.

[CelticG1]

Now is it me or didn't Doc run A TON of plays for him.

Doc ran a bunch of plays for Ray, but he also largely took the ball out of his hands.  Doc has a very structured offense with everyone having very defined roles.

Mike

Yeah whatever he still played more minutes than Pierce or KG and plays a ton less for the Heat.

But Doc's culture in Boston with the Big 3 has always elevated them above the rest of the team.  Everything is oriented around them and the other players are just supposed to fill in.  Whenever Doc talks about "spacing", he means giving KG or Paul room to operate.  Boston's offense is not open to anybody getting a shot.  It's about getting certain players shots.  When Doc went with Avery over Ray, Ray understandably felt like he was being demoted from "Big 3" to "one of the other guys".

Why isn't Big Baby here?  Because Doc wouldn't tell KG to play center.

Why isn't Tony Allen here?  Because he got tired of being the guy who was good enough to play the last 15 seconds of the 4th quarter on defense, but not good enough to play over Ray any other time.

Why was Nate Robinson less productive in Boston than anywhere else in his career, including Chicago now?  Because Doc will not let someone like Nate come in off the bench with the green light to shoot.

Mike

All of your analogies are a bogus stretch comparing them to Ray.

Doc played Ray more minutes than almost everyone on the team and it wasn't to have him sit in the corner. If that was the case than we should just plug that hole with James Jones or Peja or Kapano.

Rays role was vastly more complex than with Miami where he plays the same role Miller, Jones, and Battier play on offense, stand in the corner.

[eja117]

We don't miss Ray. We don't miss Toine. We don't miss Starbury. We don't miss Dominique Wilkins. We don't miss any of our has beens. We miss Avery Bradley's health and timing. Jeff Green's too.  And we miss guys like Clifford Ray and Thibs. But not Ray.

[BASS_THUMPER]

i miss Scalabrine

[GreenFaith1819]

I don't see this team's record being any better if Ray had come back. Ray was streaky like everyone else has been this season. Not need to even talk about his defense.

He may have seemed a bit streaky, at times.

But no one - even now - in the NBA evokes the same kind of fear as Ray Allen.

Case in point - one of my FAVORITE games from him:



He was like 2 for 14 that game...then he nailed THAT shot.....

soooo, his cruddy shooting put the Cs in the hole with the game on the line, and he finally makes a shot to win the game?

I can't tell if he helped or hurt us. Certainly made things dramatic.



In any case -- we've crossed that bridge.

lol exactly, if his shooting wasn't horrible that night then it wouldn't have even come down to that last play.

Perhaps we'd need some of that "Horrible Play" right now...

Couldn't be any worse than what we're doing now, unfortunately.

[BballTim]

We don't miss Ray. We don't miss Toine. We don't miss Starbury. We don't miss Dominique Wilkins. We don't miss any of our has beens. We miss Avery Bradley's health and timing. Jeff Green's too.  And we miss guys like Clifford Ray and Thibs. But not Ray.

  We miss Scal, admit it.

  Although we're glad to have him announcing instead of Donny.

[esel1000]

ray is the past... forget it

[OmarSekou]

We were missing Bradley. I think everyone understood that Ray brought a lot to the table, but feel that Bradley brings more. We haven't had either guy for the majority of the season.

Saying that Jet or C. Lee could come in and do what either guy did was a stretch. It took Ray a year to find his role in the offense (and defense?).