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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2013, 01:00:22 AM »

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He'll be in Europe in two years

Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2013, 01:59:58 AM »

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If small forward is renamed to "soft forward," then yes, undeniably top 5 in NBA

Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2013, 02:49:36 AM »

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He's already been a 15-point scorer his whole career..... At the least he's a top10 SF already.

Unfortunately, Pierce hinders his growth but luckily staying on the bench teaches consistency, which he has been sorely lacking this year.

Being a Thunder fan a few years back  I could see talent in this fella, and until he shows me otherwise, I see a guaranteed Allstar SF in Jeff. He can be a 20ppg guy plus so much more... 6apg is reasonable.

What do you even base this on?

Green has averaged < 17PPG over his first 6 or so years in the league.  As a general rule players typically get better through the first few seasons of their career.  Green has not - he's stayed at the same level. 

Why do you belive that he will remain exactly the same player for 6 years, and then suddenly have a talent explosion in the 7th year?  Makes no sense.

Secondly, where on earth do you get 6 assists per game?  Pierce and Iggy are two of the best passing SF's in the league and they don't even average 6 per game.  Green has never averaged more than what, 2 assists per game in a season?  You think his numbers will jus randomly triple?

He's a top 10 SF in efficient playing.

How is his play efficient?  He shoots something like 42% from the field and 35% from three.  That is not efficient in the least.  He records barely any assists, he doesn't get many rebounds.  Where's the efficiency???!?!?

Green is not putting up exactly the same stats as he did in OKC.  That is silly.  He will in time, but he is not right now.

2008:  16.5pts/ 6.7 rbs./ 2 ass/ 1 stl/ .6 blks (45%/79%)
2009:  15.1 pts./ 6 rbs./ 1.6 ass/ 1.3 stls/ .9 blk (45%/74%)
2010:  15.2 pts/ 5.6 rbs/ 1.8 ass/ .8 stls/ .4 blk (44%/82%)

I think he can score 20 per night as a starter and give us close to 7 rebounds, 2 assists, at least 1 steal, and 1 block.

His numbers are pretty close to those actually per minute.

I think 17 points, 6 rebounds and 2.5 assists is closer to his ceiling to be honest.


Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2013, 03:05:20 AM »

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I am somewhat comfortable in saying that Jeff Green will be one of the top 5 SF in the Atlantic Division in 2 years.



I see what you did there.


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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2013, 05:40:03 AM »

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Nope. He is what he is. And the problem with the whole "in 2 years" projections is that usually they are way too overly favorable because
a. they assume improvement that Green has proven over and over and over again to NEVER have shown, so far;
b. they assume a more rapid decline in older SFs than most actually go through (Iggy will still be better; I bet people would have said when Green was drafted that 5 years in, Green would be better than pierce, but i guess not).
c. they ignore the fact that most good players become quite effective early in their careers and that there are new players coming every year. For example we could NOT get Barnes or MKG for Green at all. Immediate hang up. Who knows who else will develop from drafts from 2011-2014 to be better than Green in just 2 years.

Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #50 on: January 23, 2013, 06:04:58 AM »

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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #51 on: January 23, 2013, 06:20:58 AM »

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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2013, 06:58:00 AM »

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in Europe? he never be top 5, but i hope

Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2013, 07:14:52 AM »

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Unless the play at SF really dips, I don't  see it.




There is no evidence with either stats or the eye test that Green is improving as a player.  He is a good SF, not a star SF.


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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2013, 07:18:45 AM »

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Top 15, top 5 is kind of impossible unless LBJ, Durant and Melo all of a sudden retired at the same year.

He has the tools, it's a matter of confidence. I see no confidence in Jeff as of the moment. He always needs a spark to put up good production. But we have seen that he can in his days in OKC.

I think he has to be confident enough that his skills can be on par with every SF in the league. He's athletic enough, good enough on defense and a servicable jump shot which will improve if he's just confident.

The question is, will he ever get that confidence?

He's another one of these guys who I called "plays within the system" even though there are times he can run through his defender. He has to have the you know what to be selfish at times when he sees a match up he can take advantage of. Haven't seen it in Green in his time here in green.
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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2013, 07:23:31 AM »

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Pierce /Green is ok .

The problems are at the 4-5 postions. Too many shooting guards

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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2013, 07:30:29 AM »

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if he is top anything in five years I would be amazed.  He is the epitome of a magician on the court, great once time and then he disappears.
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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2013, 08:16:13 AM »

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Evidence is overrated!

This sums up the main argument in this thread perfectly, in only three words.

Jeff Green is the Santa Claus of CelticsBlog.  He's going to come bringing all kinds of awesome gifts, if only we believe.

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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2013, 08:19:40 AM »

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He's a top 10 SF in efficient playing.

These stats are from a couple of days ago, so they're probably slightly inaccurate.  However, how is Green efficient in any manner?

His FG% is 246th in the NBA.

His eFG% is 279th in the NBA.

His TS% is 247th in the NBA.

Her PER is 266th in the NBA.

Those are all well below average for an NBA player, let alone a starter.

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Re: Jeff Green - top 5 SF in 2 years
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2013, 08:22:21 AM »

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Jeff Green sucks.

 

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