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Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2013, 12:07:44 AM »

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Gasol is the only trade you can make that puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

  How will Gasol turn PP and KG into contenders if he can't turn Dwight and Kobe into contenders?

Its similar to what we have here in Boston. We have a bad mix of players. The Lakers offense is a bad fit for Gasol.

  Trading our only point guard for an underperforming  big isn't going to magically improve our mix of players.

Adding another big who can give you almost 10 rebounds every night will. Losing Rondo wont be as bad as you think Tim.

  Rebounding isn't the problem you think it is. We're a better than average defensive rebounding team and putting Gasol on the roster won't change Doc's OReb philosophy. Losing Rondo will be a lot worse than you think. We won't have a player on the roster capable of being a dominant player in the playoffs and obviously Gasol won't change that.

What are you talking about.
We are 28th out of 30 in Total rebounds.
"No Rebounds No Rings"....Pat Riley

  Yes, I realize that we're 28th in total rebounds. I also realize that we make more of an effort to get back on defense than go after offensive rebounds, something you seem to have not noticed.

No we are not a better than average rebounding team. We are
17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

  You need to get a better handle on what we're discussing. Teams playing against the Celts don't take a ton of shots, so there are fewer misses to rebound than most teams. We're 12th in the league in terms of the percentage of our opponent's missed shots that we rebound. We grab 73.5% of our opponent's missed shots. A team that grabs 72% of their opponent's missed shots would be a worse defensive rebounding team than we are, but if their opponents missed a ton of shots they would still have more total defensive rebounds than we do.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2013, 12:08:53 AM »

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What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.
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Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2013, 12:11:26 AM »

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What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.


Gasol doesn't fit into the offense Nash likes to run.


Why trade for both of them?


Running the Clippers with Redz.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2013, 12:12:43 AM »

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No we are not a better than average rebounding team. We are
17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

His reference was to defensive rebounding, right?  Raw number of rebounds is an unhelpful stat because it doesn't account for pace.  More useful is defensive rebound rate, which measures the percentage of defensive rebounds controlled by the team.  The team is 13th in the league in that stat - a tick above average, though not quite good.

No cant agree sorry.


Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2013, 12:14:03 AM »

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No way should Rondo be traded to the Lakers under ANY circumstance.  Particularly not for the Lakers old guys.  Even if we get one chip I don't like the idea of setting LA up for the next dynasty

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2013, 12:15:54 AM »

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What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.

  Half the teams in the league would run a lineup that old off the court, and that's a conservative estimate.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2013, 12:19:12 AM »

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Not sure there is any doubt Gasol would make this team better. Trading 3 bench players for him is probably worth it. Trading a PG who is starting in the All-Star game is absolutely nuts. If the Lakers could have moved Gasol for young talent and/or draft picks they would have already. Seems like the next best thing is role players who fit their system, or at least have more trade-able contracts. I think the Lakers have to at least take the call.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2013, 12:22:18 AM »

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No we are not a better than average rebounding team. We are
17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

His reference was to defensive rebounding, right?  Raw number of rebounds is an unhelpful stat because it doesn't account for pace.  More useful is defensive rebound rate, which measures the percentage of defensive rebounds controlled by the team.  The team is 13th in the league in that stat - a tick above average, though not quite good.

No cant agree sorry.

lol, can't agree with what?  It's a valid stat - look it up yourself.  I pulled it from hoopdata.com.   

Assume one team gets 60 rebound opportunities per game and gets the ball on 60% of them.  Another team gets 80 opportunities, but gets 50%.  The second team will have more total rebounds than the first (40 to 36) despite having a lower likelihood of getting the rebound on any given play. 

Like I said, rebound rate is much more useful than total rebounds. 

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2013, 12:22:58 AM »

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No we are not a better than average rebounding team. We are
17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

His reference was to defensive rebounding, right?  Raw number of rebounds is an unhelpful stat because it doesn't account for pace.  More useful is defensive rebound rate, which measures the percentage of defensive rebounds controlled by the team.  The team is 13th in the league in that stat - a tick above average, though not quite good.

No cant agree sorry.

  To take your logic to something of an extreme, team A could rebound 71 of their opponent's 90 missed shots while team B could rebound all 70 of their opponent's misses and you'd insist that team A, which gave up 19 offensive rebounds, is a better defensive rebounding team than the team that gave up *zero* offensive boards because they got 71 defensive rebounds compared to 70 for team B.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2013, 12:23:19 AM »

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What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.


Gasol doesn't fit into the offense Nash likes to run.


Why trade for both of them?
I don't see how...
-Nash can absolutely run a half court offense with the best of them.
-They both can play pick and roll basketball together.
-Pau is a great iso player.  Nash can space the floor.
-If the offense doesn't want to iso or directly involve Pau, Pau is a very good shooter for a big man.



What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.

  Half the teams in the league would run a lineup that old off the court, and that's a conservative estimate.
Playoff basketball is about half court basketball.  I don't think Rondo/Bass are what are preventing teams from running fast breaks on us.  Teams don't run on us because of the not crashing o-board style of basketball we play that you've brought up earlier.
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Kemba Walker, Andres Nocioni, Jason Collins

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2013, 12:24:06 AM »

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Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2013, 12:29:45 AM »

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What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.


Gasol doesn't fit into the offense Nash likes to run.


Why trade for both of them?
I don't see how...
-Nash can absolutely run a half court offense with the best of them.
-They both can play pick and roll basketball together.
-Pau is a great iso player.  Nash can space the floor.
-If the offense doesn't want to iso or directly involve Pau, Pau is a very good shooter for a big man.



What about Rondo/Green/Bass/Wilcox/Melo for Nash/Ebanks/Pau?

It'd be an all-in for this season......  We'd certainly have more talent this year than currently, but it'd be a risk.  Defense would be worse but our offense would be incredibly efficient.

Celtics become:

Nash/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Pierce/Ebanks
Gasol/Sullinger
KG/Gasol/Collins

Very very potent team.  I'd probably switch Lee and Bradley actually to give us that extra shooter with the starters and Bradley's energy off the bench.

  Half the teams in the league would run a lineup that old off the court, and that's a conservative estimate.
Playoff basketball is about half court basketball.  I don't think Rondo/Bass are what are preventing teams from running fast breaks on us.  Teams don't run on us because of the not crashing o-board style of basketball we play that you've brought up earlier.

  Playoff basketball is more half-court based because better teams generally play better transition defense and don't allow tons of fast break opportunities.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2013, 12:55:34 AM »

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Green, Bass, Terry for Gasol tell the Lakers stick it if they don't like.

Re: Mission Get Gasol.
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2013, 01:13:20 AM »

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No way should Rondo be traded to the Lakers under ANY circumstance.  Particularly not for the Lakers old guys.  Even if we get one chip I don't like the idea of setting LA up for the next dynasty
Yeah, really ... that's like a worst nightmare scenario.

Trading Rondo, (our future), for another old guy and an ageing, inconsistent one?

That's just crazy, and not even a realistic option.

I would never consider this trade.

Man, would Dwight love it, though, lol!
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