Mission Get Gasol.

[BballTim]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

  Not to mention his fg% (and TS%) dropped from the previous year in each of his last 5 seasons. That's a fairly serious trend.

[wdleehi]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now. 

[FatjohnReturns]

Gasol is the only trade you can make that puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

  How will Gasol turn PP and KG into contenders if he can't turn Dwight and Kobe into contenders?

Its similar to what we have here in Boston. We have a bad mix of players. The Lakers offense is a bad fit for Gasol.

  Trading our only point guard for an underperforming  big isn't going to magically improve our mix of players.

Adding another big who can give you almost 10 rebounds every night will. Losing Rondo wont be as bad as you think Tim.

  Rebounding isn't the problem you think it is. We're a better than average defensive rebounding team and putting Gasol on the roster won't change Doc's OReb philosophy. Losing Rondo will be a lot worse than you think. We won't have a player on the roster capable of being a dominant player in the playoffs and obviously Gasol won't change that.

What are you talking about?
We are 28th out of 30 in Total rebounds.
"No Rebounds No Rings"....Pat Riley

[BballTim]

Gasol is the only trade you can make that puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

  How will Gasol turn PP and KG into contenders if he can't turn Dwight and Kobe into contenders?

Its similar to what we have here in Boston. We have a bad mix of players. The Lakers offense is a bad fit for Gasol.

  Trading our only point guard for an underperforming  big isn't going to magically improve our mix of players.

Adding another big who can give you almost 10 rebounds every night will. Losing Rondo wont be as bad as you think Tim.

  Rebounding isn't the problem you think it is. We're a better than average defensive rebounding team and putting Gasol on the roster won't change Doc's OReb philosophy. Losing Rondo will be a lot worse than you think. We won't have a player on the roster capable of being a dominant player in the playoffs and obviously Gasol won't change that.

What are you talking about.
We are 28th out of 30 in Total rebounds.
"No Rebounds No Rings"....Pat Riley

  Yes, I realize that we're 28th in total rebounds. I also realize that we make more of an effort to get back on defense than go after offensive rebounds, something you seem to have not noticed.

[FatjohnReturns]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

[wdleehi]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

Of course teams have to give something get something.



That doesn't mean teams have to over pay for former all-stars on huge contracts having the worst season of their career on a team that doesn't want them because of: a) fit and b) money. 

[FatjohnReturns]

Gasol is the only trade you can make that puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

  How will Gasol turn PP and KG into contenders if he can't turn Dwight and Kobe into contenders?

Its similar to what we have here in Boston. We have a bad mix of players. The Lakers offense is a bad fit for Gasol.

  Trading our only point guard for an underperforming  big isn't going to magically improve our mix of players.

Adding another big who can give you almost 10 rebounds every night will. Losing Rondo wont be as bad as you think Tim.

  Rebounding isn't the problem you think it is. We're a better than average defensive rebounding team and putting Gasol on the roster won't change Doc's OReb philosophy. Losing Rondo will be a lot worse than you think. We won't have a player on the roster capable of being a dominant player in the playoffs and obviously Gasol won't change that.

What are you talking about.
We are 28th out of 30 in Total rebounds.
"No Rebounds No Rings"....Pat Riley

  Yes, I realize that we're 28th in total rebounds. I also realize that we make more of an effort to get back on defense than go after offensive rebounds, something you seem to have not noticed.

No we are not a better than average defensive rebounding team. We are 17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

[BballTim]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

  Your trade doesn't put us into contention, it closes the window on this group. KG isn't our best player now, but he would be after the trade, and he's not at the point in his career that he'll dominate games anymore.

[FatjohnReturns]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

Of course teams have to give something get something.



That doesn't mean teams have to over pay for former all-stars on huge contracts having the worst season of their career on a team that doesn't want them because of: a) fit and b) money.

Its not overpaying. Its a equal trade. What do you think is a fair deal for Gasol?

[FatjohnReturns]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

  Your trade doesn't put us into contention, it closes the window on this group. KG isn't our best player now, but he would be after the trade, and he's not at the point in his career that he'll dominate games anymore.

Your anaylsis is wrong just like your stats.

[syfy9]

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

Playoffs or regular season?

Rondo shows up every post season, and becomes a top 5 NBA player then.

Also, KG is having quite an off year right now.

[wdleehi]

Gasol puts us in contention.
The loss of Rondo will be blunted some by our depth in the backcourt.
Also Barbosa when given minutes can produce.

It makes the Celtics weaker. 


This is not prime or even near prime Gasol. 


This is 12.6 pts, 8.1 rebounds 43% shooting Gasol.

No way. Gasol is still a very very good player. He is just not suited for Mike D's offense. If you put Gasol and Kg in the frontcourt together we instantly become very long.

Our weakness in the frontcourt would become a strength. No way Monroe and Drumond have the game they had last night.

No offense to Bass. We are just very small up front and we are getting pounded on the boards. Adding Gasol while keeping Sully would be a drastic improvment in the rebounding.

Your analysis about being weaker is wrong. Sorry

What proof do you have that Gasol is "still a very very good player?"  To me, he looks like an aging big who is slowing down and becoming injury prone. 

You don't give up your best player for a 32 year-old reclamation project.  Like I said, ludicrous.

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

And there are few teams that would trade their 26 year old all-star for him now.

You have to give something to get something. The only way you can get back enough of a return in a trade to put us back in contention is by trading Pierce or Rondo.

Green,Bass,Lee dont have enough trade value and trading Bradley or Sully when they are out performing their contracts is counterproductive.

Once KG retires its game over So we are either content to be medicore or you have to move a major piece.

Of course teams have to give something get something.



That doesn't mean teams have to over pay for former all-stars on huge contracts having the worst season of their career on a team that doesn't want them because of: a) fit and b) money.

Its not overpaying. Its a equal trade. What do you think is a fair deal for Gasol?

At this point, their isn't really one for Gasol.


For his current output, his contract is one of the worst in the NBA. 


Maybe Amare for Gasol might work. 


But 19 million for 12 points and less then 45% shooting from a 7 footer? 


No way would I give up Rondo or Pierce for that player. 

[FatjohnReturns]

Rondo is not our best player. KG is and he is going to be 37 in May.

Playoffs or regular season?

Rondo shows up every post season, and becomes a top 5 NBA player then.

Also, KG is having quite an off year right now.

No. KG is doesnt have enough help. He is doing battle with young guys like Drummond and Monroe and most of the time he matches or exceeds them.

[KGs Knee]

Rondo for Gasol is absurd.  Ainge will never do it.  Never!

Green/Bass/Terry is a good starting point for a deal.  LAkers might just be inclined to get whatever they can.

I'd probably do it from both sides.

[Atzar]

No we are not a better than average rebounding team. We are
17th outta 30th in DRB. The league average is 1244 atm. We currently have 1215. You really need to check your facts better.

His reference was to defensive rebounding, right?  Raw number of rebounds is an unhelpful stat because it doesn't account for pace.  More useful is defensive rebound rate, which measures the percentage of defensive rebounds controlled by the team.  The team is 13th in the league in that stat - a tick above average, though not quite good.