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Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« on: January 20, 2013, 03:32:02 PM »
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Memphis gets Jason terry and Jeff teague

Atlanta gets rajon rondo, marrese speights, fab melo,and Jason Collins(who is waived)

Boston gets al horford and Mike Conley.



Memphis gets under the tax. They get a shooter in terry and a quality sixth man who isn't afraid to take the big shot. They also get a young pg prospect on a rookie deal.

Atlanta gets an All Star pg. They get smiths best friend and it should only bake their roster more attractive to Dwight.

Boston gets an All Star big man and a very underrated pg. Both are young enough to help us win now and in the future.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2013, 03:48:38 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2013, 03:49:01 PM »
This trade makes the Celtics worse, are you an ATL fan?

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 03:52:35 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2013, 03:56:42 PM »
This trade makes the Celtics worse, are you an ATL fan?

How?

You think the drop off from rondo to Conley is that large? Collins barely plays. Melo doesn't. And terry is replaced by more minutes for barbosa, lee, and Avery.

Oh yeah and you pair horford with kg! Which arguably becomes the best front court duo in the NBA.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2013, 03:58:19 PM »
I really don't see Memphis wanting to get rid of Conley. He is a great fit, on a very team friendly contract, and starting to come into his own as a real force at PG on the defensive side. I really think if Memphis is moving anyone its Rudy Gay as they have seen they can be successful without him.

So while I follow the trade, I think the C's get worse because of it and I doubt Memphis would do it unless they are the one's getting Rondo.
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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2013, 04:04:59 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

Well its kind of endemic of what the NBA is. Is Kyrie Irving's ceiling 'that much' higher than Jrue Holiday's? Is LeBron James's ceiling 'that much' higher than Carmelo Anthony's?

Is those top tier guys you need, and trading a top tier positional player for a 2nd and 3rd tier player is usually a poor proposition, unless you were going to lose the top tier guy anyways.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2013, 04:17:21 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

Well its kind of endemic of what the NBA is. Is Kyrie Irving's ceiling 'that much' higher than Jrue Holiday's? Is LeBron James's ceiling 'that much' higher than Carmelo Anthony's?

Is those top tier guys you need, and trading a top tier positional player for a 2nd and 3rd tier player is usually a poor proposition, unless you were going to lose the top tier guy anyways.
Horford and Conley significantly upgrade the Celtics.  I don't think it is close and would do that trade in a heartbeat.  Memphis would not and I really don't think Atlanta does either. 
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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2013, 04:31:21 PM »
Nice creativity here. I think Atlanta is the least likely to say 'yes'. They really like Teague (for good reason). they'd have to be very strongly committed to keeping Smith.

From the Cs perspective, I'd do this deal everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, but why not just do the deal directly with ATL? If you could get Horford and Teague for Rondo, Melo and picks you'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2013, 04:35:14 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

Well its kind of endemic of what the NBA is. Is Kyrie Irving's ceiling 'that much' higher than Jrue Holiday's? Is LeBron James's ceiling 'that much' higher than Carmelo Anthony's?

Is those top tier guys you need, and trading a top tier positional player for a 2nd and 3rd tier player is usually a poor proposition, unless you were going to lose the top tier guy anyways.
Horford and Conley significantly upgrade the Celtics.  I don't think it is close and would do that trade in a heartbeat.  Memphis would not and I really don't think Atlanta does either.

Maybe. I think it could work out for us. I also think it could screw up our chemistry irreparably. Not that Conley Jr or Horford are locker room negatives, the farthest thing from it, from what I've read. It is maybe one of best 'sensible' trades coming back I've seen. Just moving Rondo for anything but a superstar or very high ceiling prospect seems iffy at best for me.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2013, 05:04:40 PM »
Nice creativity here. I think Atlanta is the least likely to say 'yes'. They really like Teague (for good reason). they'd have to be very strongly committed to keeping Smith.

From the Cs perspective, I'd do this deal everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, but why not just do the deal directly with ATL? If you could get Horford and Teague for Rondo, Melo and picks you'd do it in a heartbeat.

I guess it depends on your view of rondo. It's all perspective. If your goal is Dwight and la can't do sign and trades it means he has to leave via ufa. Smith unquestionably makes Atlanta more attractive bc he's a great talent and buddy.

Now does rondo make Atlanta more attractive as well then say an inconsistent young player and a guy who plays your position. I say it's a no brainer for Atlanta if your goal is to sell Dwight on Atlanta. Rondo is a pass first guy who doesn't really want to score. He would make life much easier for Howard and you don't have to wait on him to realize his talent like Teague. He's a win now player as far as development.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 05:12:47 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

Well its kind of endemic of what the NBA is. Is Kyrie Irving's ceiling 'that much' higher than Jrue Holiday's? Is LeBron James's ceiling 'that much' higher than Carmelo Anthony's?

Is those top tier guys you need, and trading a top tier positional player for a 2nd and 3rd tier player is usually a poor proposition, unless you were going to lose the top tier guy anyways.
Horford and Conley significantly upgrade the Celtics.  I don't think it is close and would do that trade in a heartbeat.  Memphis would not and I really don't think Atlanta does either.

I addressed Atlanta above. As for Memphis I have read that getting under the tax is a primary priority. They also covet shooting and bench scoring.

I also read Conley hasn't been significantly discussed bc no team is willing to provide them the return that gay or zbo would. A prospect and capable replacement.  It's understandable bc that's a lot to ask for for a guy who isn't even a fringe all star. Especially at a position that's incredibly deep league wise.

Speights really isn't in the rotation and a five man unit of Teague/terry, terry/Allen, gay zbo and gasol is a strong unit to close a game with. Again it provides the cap relief, shooting, and doesn't really weaken the team that I think Memphis would be game.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 05:18:36 PM »
Nice creativity here. I think Atlanta is the least likely to say 'yes'. They really like Teague (for good reason). they'd have to be very strongly committed to keeping Smith.

From the Cs perspective, I'd do this deal everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, but why not just do the deal directly with ATL? If you could get Horford and Teague for Rondo, Melo and picks you'd do it in a heartbeat.

I guess it depends on your view of rondo. It's all perspective. If your goal is Dwight and la can't do sign and trades it means he has to leave via ufa. Smith unquestionably makes Atlanta more attractive bc he's a great talent and buddy.

Now does rondo make Atlanta more attractive as well then say an inconsistent young player and a guy who plays your position. I say it's a no brainer for Atlanta if your goal is to sell Dwight on Atlanta. Rondo is a pass first guy who doesn't really want to score. He would make life much easier for Howard and you don't have to wait on him to realize his talent like Teague. He's a win now player as far as development.

I hear you. One comment though: Teague is really good right now. Atlanta is giving up a great deal.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2013, 05:20:41 PM »
That's a tough one. I see how it 'fits', but at the same time, you're trading a budding superstar for two really good players.

I don't know, I could see this from both sides.

I'm not sure rondo's ceiling is that much higher then horfords. Conley is a heck of a player too.

I do think every team would be fine with what's incoming for with what's outgoing.

Well its kind of endemic of what the NBA is. Is Kyrie Irving's ceiling 'that much' higher than Jrue Holiday's? Is LeBron James's ceiling 'that much' higher than Carmelo Anthony's?

Is those top tier guys you need, and trading a top tier positional player for a 2nd and 3rd tier player is usually a poor proposition, unless you were going to lose the top tier guy anyways.
Horford and Conley significantly upgrade the Celtics.  I don't think it is close and would do that trade in a heartbeat.  Memphis would not and I really don't think Atlanta does either.

Maybe. I think it could work out for us. I also think it could screw up our chemistry irreparably. Not that Conley Jr or Horford are locker room negatives, the farthest thing from it, from what I've read. It is maybe one of best 'sensible' trades coming back I've seen. Just moving Rondo for anything but a superstar or very high ceiling prospect seems iffy at best for me.

I agree that it could hurt our chemistry but like you also said it could really improve us. Conley is not the playmaker rondo is but he can space the floor and while he's no all star he's no scrub.

The duo of horford and kg would really be unmatched in the east. Both can do it all and horfords ability to bang would make life incredibly hard on Miami. Conley still provides an upgrade over chalmers and he's played well in the playoffs too.

A future five of Conley, Bradley, green, sully, and horford is a move away from being legit. Or maybe just the development of sully and Bradley away from being legit. Still this year and maybe the next two after with kg and pierce it should be a team very capable of going all the way.

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Re: Boston Atlanta Memphis blockbuster idea
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2013, 05:25:22 PM »
Nice creativity here. I think Atlanta is the least likely to say 'yes'. They really like Teague (for good reason). they'd have to be very strongly committed to keeping Smith.

From the Cs perspective, I'd do this deal everyday of the week and twice on Sunday, but why not just do the deal directly with ATL? If you could get Horford and Teague for Rondo, Melo and picks you'd do it in a heartbeat.

I guess it depends on your view of rondo. It's all perspective. If your goal is Dwight and la can't do sign and trades it means he has to leave via ufa. Smith unquestionably makes Atlanta more attractive bc he's a great talent and buddy.

Now does rondo make Atlanta more attractive as well then say an inconsistent young player and a guy who plays your position. I say it's a no brainer for Atlanta if your goal is to sell Dwight on Atlanta. Rondo is a pass first guy who doesn't really want to score. He would make life much easier for Howard and you don't have to wait on him to realize his talent like Teague. He's a win now player as far as development.

I hear you. One comment though: Teague is really good right now. Atlanta is giving up a great deal.

We differ on Teague. I don't see him as a viable difference maker in a playoff series at the moment. But that's me. I don't see Teague as the reason you win a seven game series and I do rondo. If I'm Dwight that matters to me.

Also Eric bledsoe's availability only helps to lessen teagues value which can't hurt.

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