what would it take to offload jeff green?

[jyyzzoel]

if you were another gm, what would danny have to say, or take back, for you to trade for jeff green? an expiring contract, a younger player in addition to jeff? what?

[2short]

player #1   23 mpg   9.4 pts   3.1 rbs  .9 assist

player #2   31 mpg    9.5 pts    5.3 rbs  2.9 assists

player #3   34 mpg    13.3 pts   5.5 rbs 4.5 assists


All three all sf (basically).  Taking into account minutes per game don't the stats seem right on?  Or given more minutes player #1 would probably be the highest scoring of bunch?

[jyyzzoel]

player #1   23 mpg   9.4 pts   3.1 rbs  .9 assist

player #2   31 mpg    9.5 pts    5.3 rbs  2.9 assists

player #3   34 mpg    13.3 pts   5.5 rbs 4.5 assists


All three all sf (basically).  Taking into account minutes per game don't the stats seem right on?  Or given more minutes player #1 would probably be the highest scoring of bunch?

i dont know what the point to this is, but in any case, judging a player strictly based on offensive output is not the best way to judge which player is actually the best player of the three.  this is simply because defense matters too. i would suggest that you go to thenbageek.com and compare the players. the position adjusted wins per48 mins is pretty much the best way to judge a player because it takes everything into account - offense, defense, and then compares their output to other players. i think the spurs use it to judge their players too.

[2short]

this is in direct response to your trying to offload jeff green
(hint player #1 is jeff green)

didn't even put shots per game down but as we all know celts don't call plays for jeff so hits shot numbers go with offensive flow and changes from game to game

and since you posted this on another thread i figured i'd show his value is up from doritos
i would trade jeff green for a bag of chips at this point, and still think i won in the trade.

[jyyzzoel]

this is in direct response to your trying to offload jeff green
(hint player #1 is jeff green)

didn't even put shots per game down but as we all know celts don't call plays for jeff so hits shot numbers go with offensive flow and changes from game to game

and since you posted this on another thread i figured i'd show his value is up from doritos
i would trade jeff green for a bag of chips at this point, and still think i won in the trade.

so who were the other two players and what were their position adjusted win score? additionally, why is sully dominating while having no plays run for him. the idea that players need plays run for them is what bails out the horrible players. i dont get any plays run for me when i play 5 on 5. is that why im having no impact on the game? maybe it's because im a horrible basketball player... anyways, who were the other players?

[jyyzzoel]

this is in direct response to your trying to offload jeff green
(hint player #1 is jeff green)

didn't even put shots per game down but as we all know celts don't call plays for jeff so hits shot numbers go with offensive flow and changes from game to game

and since you posted this on another thread i figured i'd show his value is up from doritos
i would trade jeff green for a bag of chips at this point, and still think i won in the trade.

the only guys i could find with close tot hose numbers are here:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=403&player_ids%5B%5D=257&player_ids%5B%5D=286&player_ids%5B%5D=13&player_ids%5B%5D=481

as you can see by position adjusted win score per 48 jeff is the worst. even evan turner, who isnt a true small forward, but really a shooting guard is better than him.

jeff's efficency will be the same, regardless of how many touches he gets - they'll just be more of it... it's kinda like saying "well if we give shaq more free throws, he'll get more in" - true - but his free throw percentage will pretty much be the same. same with jeff - he'll be the same basketball player he's always been. even when he was in okc he was a mediocre player. his winscore is pretty much the same it's always been.

[2short]

interestingly enough
#2 is gerald wallace brooklyn? nets
#3 is andre iguadala denver nuggets

you should also know i'm NOT a stat or box score guy much more watching flow of game and players
obviously iggy will get more assists playing in denver with their system and how much more he handles the ball, wallace shots per game is a lot like greens, when he gets shots he averages more points but there are games he only has 6 or 7 shots
no one can argue though that wallace & iggy are more focal points of their team's offense than jeff green

interesting point when you look at contracts as well

[jyyzzoel]

interestingly enough
#2 is gerald wallace brooklyn? nets
#3 is andre iguadala denver nuggets

you should also know i'm NOT a stat or box score guy much more watching flow of game and players
obviously iggy will get more assists playing in denver with their system and how much more he handles the ball, wallace shots per game is a lot like greens, when he gets shots he averages more points but there are games he only has 6 or 7 shots
no one can argue though that wallace & iggy are more focal points of their team's offense than jeff green

interesting point when you look at contracts as well

sure, but they arent box scores. they take into account how often an offensive player scores on them while playing defense too. like for example if i play a game and score 30 points in the game that sounds good right? if the player im guarding scores 50 points on me, then obviously he got the best of me.

if that player then goes and plays you and you score 30 points on him, and he only scores 20 points on you, then obviously you are the best player of the three of us. the other guy is second, and im the last. this - in a very basic way is what win score does.

now, it is no surprise to me that jeff green is the worst of the players you listed:  http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=253&player_ids%5B%5D=286&player_ids%5B%5D=13 even before you told me who they were - because jeffs basically the worst small forward in the league at this point, i think except maybe two guys or so.

regarding contracts - out of curiosity - whats interesting about them?

[ssspence]

What would it take? A time machine.

Has the guy even scored 20 PTS in a game yet this year?

[jyyzzoel]

What would it take? A time machine.

Has the guy even scored 20 PTS in a game yet this year?

that may be his high score this season. i think in the sacramento game recently he had 17... shots made 4 i think?

[TripleOT]

Against the Bulls,  Green went 1-4 for 2 points and didn't have any other stat besides fouls.  $9m sixth men aren't supposed to have games like this.

Green is a middling player with a 30% outsized contract.  he does have upside due to his size and ability, and maybe another team will look at him and see a guy who can't be a bench player but might be able to be a good starter.

That theory, (which I don't subscribe to) is that he had decent numbers at OKC and now that he has more experience in the league,can grow those numbers as a starter playing big minutes. 

There are a lot of dumb GMs in the league and it will take only one for the Cs to dump Green.  I'm surprised Doc Rivers has put up with Green's no show act in so many game.  If he doesn't get moved by the deadline, I won't be surprised if Green gets moved to spot minutes in the playoffs.   

[Rtpas11]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a9oy8t2

Throw in a 1st rounder to the bobcats

[Rtpas11]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bg7ddad

Give a 1st to Denver

[sofutomygaha]

The player 1 - player 2 game can be fun and interesting, but you have chosen to compare Jeff Green to two of the best defensive SF's in the game in what happens to be a down season, offensively, for both.

interestingly enough
#2 is gerald wallace brooklyn? nets
#3 is andre iguadala denver nuggets

you should also know i'm NOT a stat or box score guy much more watching flow of game and players
obviously iggy will get more assists playing in denver with their system and how much more he handles the ball, wallace shots per game is a lot like greens, when he gets shots he averages more points but there are games he only has 6 or 7 shots
no one can argue though that wallace & iggy are more focal points of their team's offense than jeff green

interesting point when you look at contracts as well

[PhoSita]

If you can find an even worse contract out there, it would take the Celtics getting back that contract.