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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 12:19:29 PM »

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Is there any examples of previous dpoys who averaged less than a steal and less than a block?

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 12:31:32 PM »

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Is there any examples of previous dpoys who averaged less than a steal and less than a block?
Michael Cooper. He was there or thereabouts. A steal and a half a block when he won DPOY in the mid-80s.

Dennis Rodman ... but he had phenomenal rebounding numbers.

Tyson Chandler last year was one of the more underwhelming DPOYs in terms of rebounds, blocks and steals.

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 12:34:09 PM »

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Was injured too much to be picked I wager.

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 12:35:39 PM »

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No way Noah is winning DPOY.  At least yet.  It has to be either Ibaka or Chandler. 
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 12:36:38 PM »

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No way Noah is winning DPOY.  At least yet.  It has to be either Ibaka or Chandler.
Why not Noah? Why do you think he is undeserving compared to Ibaka to Tyson?

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 12:52:28 PM »

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A legitimate path to a DPOY (next year) for Bradley could go something like this.  Bradley makes a name for himself on a national stage by having his defense credited with being a major factor in winning either the Eastern Conference Finals or the NBA Finals by shutting down an opposing superstar guard.  The following season, the Celtics post better-than-expected defensive numbers, which are credited to Bradley playing more minutes per game for an entire season.

Rodman (twice) is the only DPOY to average less than one steal and one block per game.  Michael Cooper won it averaging exactly one steal per game.  If you make the threshold 1.5 or fewer per game in both blocks and steals, you could add Tyson Chandler, Kevin Garnett, and Sidney Moncrief (twice).
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 12:54:07 PM »

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No way Noah is winning DPOY.  At least yet.  It has to be either Ibaka or Chandler.
Why not Noah? Why do you think he is undeserving compared to Ibaka to Tyson?
I've got no idea either.

The Knicks are giving up 108 pts per 100 pos when Chandler is on the floor this season. They actually get better defensively when he's off. The Thunder is giving up 104 pp100 with Ibaka on the floor, about the same when he's off.

The Bulls with Noah give up ~101 pp100 and a whooping 107 pp100 without him. The guy is averaging 1.3 steals and 2.1 blocks per game, and playing out of his mind. Clearly the best defensive player so far this season, and it's not even close.
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 12:56:15 PM »

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No way Noah is winning DPOY.  At least yet.  It has to be either Ibaka or Chandler.
Why not Noah? Why do you think he is undeserving compared to Ibaka to Tyson?
In the ballpark sure, but calling him the best defensive player in the league is proof of how overrated he is.  He had 0 first place votes last year and has never even finished in the top 10 while on the best defensive teams in the league.

I think Chandler is clearly better.  As for Ibaka, these awards are typically about statistical dominance, and if he can put together some 10 block games (3 in the same month! last year) he'll likely be right there.
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 01:00:30 PM »

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In the ballpark sure, but calling him the best defensive player in the league is proof of how overrated he is.  He had 0 first place votes last year and has never even finished in the top 10 while on the best defensive teams in the league.
He wasn't nearly as good last season. Also, I didn't realize those awards were given for track record :)
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 01:02:18 PM »

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Last year Noah's on/off wouldn't have been nearly as good because Asik was backing him up.

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2013, 01:25:39 PM »

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In the ballpark sure, but calling him the best defensive player in the league is proof of how overrated he is.  He had 0 first place votes last year and has never even finished in the top 10 while on the best defensive teams in the league.
He wasn't nearly as good last season. Also, I didn't realize those awards were given for track record :)
When did I say anything close to that?

He's never been in the discussion as far as voting is concerned and didn't improve drastically enough to catapult himself to the top.  He is what he is.  An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2013, 01:37:21 PM »

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I think for him to have a chance he needs to have at least two statement games on national television similar to the game against Miami last season.  He needs to shut down Wade, Chris Paul or Kobe to under 15 or 20 points, bad shooting, and get a couple flashy steals or blocks and the games must be win for the celtics so ESPN can credit Bradley's defense.  Also, he needs to keep playing his normal level of defense against all the other opponents and the celtics need to win 70% of their remaining games.

If those 3 things fall into place, I think Bradley has a chance.  If the celtics win more than 70% of their remaining games or if he has more than two statement games then he might even become the favorite.
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Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2013, 01:44:43 PM »

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not sure how much traction he'll get with the voters considering how much time he's missed. would hope he'd get some serious consideration but I think it'll go to one of the glamour players like DH.

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 01:44:47 PM »

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Came back late, has KG on his team, and is a guard. Not gonna happen.

Re: Avery Bradley: DPOY Candidate
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 01:50:33 PM »

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He is what he is.  An elite defender who isn't the best defensive player in the league.
And Serge Ibaka or Tyson Chandler are?! Don't know which league you're talking about, but it's certainly not the NBA in 2013.
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