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Looking at Jeff Green's game log, he has yet to put together a three game streak of good scoring games.  (I'm defining a "good scoring game" fairly loosely as double-digit points, and 40%+ from the field.

Green came closest between 12/7 and 12/12, as he scored between 15 and 19 points in three straight games.  However, in the 3rd game he shot 5-for-16 (31.3%).

His game log is pretty crazy.  Anybody see a pattern here?:

12/18:  3 points on 17% shooting
12/19:  3 points on 25% shooting

followed by:

12/21:  14 points on 44% shooting
12/25:  15 points on 63% shooting

followed by:

12/27:  8 points on 33% shooting
12/29:  6 points on 18% shooting

followed by:

12/30:  16 points on 29% shooting (outlier)
1/2:    10 points on 80% shooting

followed by:

1/4:    2 points on 25% shooting
1/5:    3 points on 25% shooting

followed by:

1/7:    16 points on 50% shooting
1/9:    14 points on 56% shooting

It's just bizarre.  With one outlier, he's basically had a pattern of two good games followed by two bad games for the past month.

Why can't this guy put a streak together?

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Re: Why can't Jeff Green put a streak of good (or bad) games together?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 11:58:14 AM »

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Re: Why can't Jeff Green put a streak of good (or bad) games together?
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He needs to play more , ALOT MORE. 

I would let him start a couple games and see IF that helps his game any.

The biger role he has the better for the future.

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He needs to play more , ALOT MORE. 

I would let him start a couple games and see IF that helps his game any.

The biger role he has the better for the future.

Has more playing time helped his game?

In games where he's played 30+ minutes (only three games so far), he's shooting 32%.  I'm not sure that that's the answer.

It's just a really weird pattern.  It doesn't seem to change much depending upon how much rest he gets, or his playing time, or the quality of opponent.  Rather, it's just 2 good games, then 2 bad ones.

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Re: Why can't Jeff Green put a streak of good (or bad) games together?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 12:11:15 PM »

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I think one simple reason (although would only be part of the story) is that he feasts on poor defenders.  I don't think its a coincidence that he had great games facing Melo/Novak and then facing the Suns in general.  But, when he faces an aggressive defender who takes away his right hand, suddenly he becomes much less effective. 

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I think one simple reason (although would only be part of the story) is that he feasts on poor defenders.  I don't think its a coincidence that he had great games facing Melo/Novak and then facing the Suns in general.  But, when he faces an aggressive defender who takes away his right hand, suddenly he becomes much less effective.
Yep, I've noticed this.  When he has a horrible defender on him he actually seems awake.

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I think one simple reason (although would only be part of the story) is that he feasts on poor defenders.  I don't think its a coincidence that he had great games facing Melo/Novak and then facing the Suns in general.  But, when he faces an aggressive defender who takes away his right hand, suddenly he becomes much less effective.

I doubt that's the case. Of course, good defenders will always affect your play, but I think this has more to do with him than whomever is guarding him. In those poor games he still gets good looks, still gets to the basket, but for some reason he doesn't convert.

But while he's being inconsistent with his scoring, he has become more consistent with his defense and effort, and overall offensive activity.

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He needs to play more , ALOT MORE. 

I would let him start a couple games and see IF that helps his game any.

The biger role he has the better for the future.

Has more playing time helped his game?

In games where he's played 30+ minutes (only three games so far), he's shooting 32%.  I'm not sure that that's the answer.

It's just a really weird pattern.  It doesn't seem to change much depending upon how much rest he gets, or his playing time, or the quality of opponent.  Rather, it's just 2 good games, then 2 bad ones.

  While this doesn't really excuse Green's randomness, when reporters asked Doc about cutting the minutes of PP and RA (3-4 years ago) he said that those guys need to play  30+ minutes a game to stay in rhythm.

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I think one simple reason (although would only be part of the story) is that he feasts on poor defenders.  I don't think its a coincidence that he had great games facing Melo/Novak and then facing the Suns in general.  But, when he faces an aggressive defender who takes away his right hand, suddenly he becomes much less effective.

I doubt that's the case. Of course, good defenders will always affect your play, but I think this has more to do with him than whomever is guarding him. In those poor games he still gets good looks, still gets to the basket, but for some reason he doesn't convert.


See, I disagree.  I think there is a distinct difference in the shots he is getting in the games where he is successful and not, at least for the most part.

When he is playing a team that is successfully taking away his right hand (and thats the key defending him, do NOT let him get a step with his right hand), then he is taking a lot more unbalanced jumpers, and circus layups where he is just hoping for a foul.  But, when he is able to get to his right hand, either off the dribble, or (my favorite play for him) a curl handoff play, going to his right, he is generally able to get close enough to the basket before he jumps that he actually has a chance to make the layups, and the rhythm pullups work more, because he is able to do it from his right hand, which he seems so much more comfortable with.

Basically, offensively, he is just a mirror image of Delonte West.  If you take away his strong hand, he disappears, but if you give him that, he looks like a superstar. 

I do agree that his aggressiveness on defense and the boards has been picking up though (along with the rest of the team.

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I agree with the QUALITY of the opponent and , maybe is his opponent a left hand or righthand specialist.

Jeff does seems to be like a wolf and go for the weak players to feast on.  But, heck I guess I would too.

Also ...feasting on weak players may be an indication he is just not a good choice to play the 4 spot period.

Green seems to abuse the smaller 3 more.

Thats why we need Green a 3 , KG at 4 , and Cousins at 5...  ;D

den we sho Heats sumpin.

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Looking at Jeff Green's game log, he has yet to put together a three game streak of good scoring games.  (I'm defining a "good scoring game" fairly loosely as double-digit points, and 40%+ from the field.

Green came closest between 12/7 and 12/12, as he scored between 15 and 19 points in three straight games.  However, in the 3rd game he shot 5-for-16 (31.3%).

His game log is pretty crazy.  Anybody see a pattern here?:

12/18:  3 points on 17% shooting
12/19:  3 points on 25% shooting

followed by:

12/21:  14 points on 44% shooting
12/25:  15 points on 63% shooting

followed by:

12/27:  8 points on 33% shooting
12/29:  6 points on 18% shooting

followed by:

12/30:  16 points on 29% shooting (outlier)
1/2:    10 points on 80% shooting

followed by:

1/4:    2 points on 25% shooting
1/5:    3 points on 25% shooting

followed by:

1/7:    16 points on 50% shooting
1/9:    14 points on 56% shooting

It's just bizarre.  With one outlier, he's basically had a pattern of two good games followed by two bad games for the past month.

Why can't this guy put a streak together?

LoL .....well.it is a streak.....abit..just an odd type of one I suppose..... maybe he is an alien.  ;D

I weird streak is better than an all bad streak.... ;D

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I remember Thunder fans specifically saying Green's biggest weakness is his inconsistency and it apparently drove them crazy, so I kind of expected this. Green did have his day a few times when he was first traded to Boston.

One day he looks spectacular the next day he looks awful. I wonder if it's all a matter of match-ups. Remember Green was torching the likes of Steve Novak and Michael Beasley the last 2 games, not exactly defensive pests. I'm a little worried about what will happen when he has to face the likes of Shane Battier or Mickael Pietrus.

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Tremendous research Roy.  Thanks much for sharing that.  You make a great point that I hope about a horrible pattern that I HOPE is broken tonight.

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Minutes issue.

He needs 25 plus.

Too small a sample size when looking at 3 games of poor shooting with 30+ min.

I think we were struggling early on and Doc leaned on vets a little more than he wanted because he was desperate. Hopefully if we get a little streak going withbsome breathing room Doc will be able rondo be a little less conservative

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I think one simple reason (although would only be part of the story) is that he feasts on poor defenders.  I don't think its a coincidence that he had great games facing Melo/Novak and then facing the Suns in general.  But, when he faces an aggressive defender who takes away his right hand, suddenly he becomes much less effective.

I doubt that's the case. Of course, good defenders will always affect your play, but I think this has more to do with him than whomever is guarding him. In those poor games he still gets good looks, still gets to the basket, but for some reason he doesn't convert.


See, I disagree.  I think there is a distinct difference in the shots he is getting in the games where he is successful and not, at least for the most part.

When he is playing a team that is successfully taking away his right hand (and thats the key defending him, do NOT let him get a step with his right hand), then he is taking a lot more unbalanced jumpers, and circus layups where he is just hoping for a foul.  But, when he is able to get to his right hand, either off the dribble, or (my favorite play for him) a curl handoff play, going to his right, he is generally able to get close enough to the basket before he jumps that he actually has a chance to make the layups, and the rhythm pullups work more, because he is able to do it from his right hand, which he seems so much more comfortable with.

Basically, offensively, he is just a mirror image of Delonte West.  If you take away his strong hand, he disappears, but if you give him that, he looks like a superstar. 

I do agree that his aggressiveness on defense and the boards has been picking up though (along with the rest of the team.

I think Chris has come close to nailing as anyone and inclined to agree with this opinion.

I really don't think its a minutes thing.


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