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Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #135 on: February 08, 2013, 12:22:13 PM »

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I'd say, "we don't need Rondo....for regular season wins."

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2013, 12:25:29 PM »

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we dont need rondo to pund the ball for 20 seonds and slow the offense.  We nneed rondo to run with the team and pass the ball around.  If either Rondo provides us as upgrade via trade, then do it.  Imo its been proven he's not as valuable as some people think.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2013, 12:38:45 PM »

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we dont need rondo to pund the ball for 20 seonds and slow the offense.  We nneed rondo to run with the team and pass the ball around.  If either Rondo provides us as upgrade via trade, then do it.  Imo its been proven he's not as valuable as some people think.

  I've seen a fair amount of the halfcourt offense without Rondo. It's exciting that the ball swings around more but we're generally getting the same shots at the same point in the shot clock.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2013, 12:52:45 PM »

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I say we don't need Rondo to beat Miami. No difference with him or without him. We lose. If we get a higher seed we may pull out a round, no doubt in my mind we will be playing golf early in the playoffs.

Bradley has done the unthinkable again however, made us respectable...........again. I love it! Of course it's not pure talent but a magical team harmony.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2013, 01:06:35 PM »

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maybe Allen was right. ....Rondo and his drag rear end.   "stall-ball".  dribble the game away, put the fans and the Celtics to sleep...not to mention Tommy .

trade him for Horford,........ then Atlanta can get Howard.......and have Rondo

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #140 on: February 08, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »

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Truth is we're going to need Rondo

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Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #141 on: February 08, 2013, 01:26:19 PM »

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we dont need rondo to pund the ball for 20 seonds and slow the offense.  We nneed rondo to run with the team and pass the ball around.  If either Rondo provides us as upgrade via trade, then do it.  Imo its been proven he's not as valuable as some people think.

  I've seen a fair amount of the halfcourt offense without Rondo. It's exciting that the ball swings around more but we're generally getting the same shots at the same point in the shot clock.

I think we are getting better quality shots. We are undoubtedly more unpredictable when we usually have 4-5 guys who can knock down shots. These guys are willing passers but also aren't gunshy. Rondo was not willing to make the initial pass that leads to the correct extra pass, and was also a very confusing jumpshooter (wouldn't shoot when he should, shot when he shouldn't).

It's pretty simple. Even if you believe our offense is worse (debatable to me), it can't get much worse than what we put forth with Rondo. Our defense is without question significantly better with Bradley and Lee together.

Maybe we can turn into the mid-00's Pistons. Great defense with competent offensive players capable of making clutch shots and a deep bench.
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Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2013, 01:31:52 PM »

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Truth is we're going to need Rondo


yup.......hoping we can get a nice big for him

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #143 on: February 08, 2013, 01:49:16 PM »

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we dont need rondo to pund the ball for 20 seonds and slow the offense.  We nneed rondo to run with the team and pass the ball around.  If either Rondo provides us as upgrade via trade, then do it.  Imo its been proven he's not as valuable as some people think.

  I've seen a fair amount of the halfcourt offense without Rondo. It's exciting that the ball swings around more but we're generally getting the same shots at the same point in the shot clock.

I think we are getting better quality shots. We are undoubtedly more unpredictable when we usually have 4-5 guys who can knock down shots. These guys are willing passers but also aren't gunshy. Rondo was not willing to make the initial pass that leads to the correct extra pass, and was also a very confusing jumpshooter (wouldn't shoot when he should, shot when he shouldn't).

  That's pretty wishful thinking on your part. The Celts aren't running some shocking new offense, they look pretty much like half the teams we face, and we generally aren't flustered by their "unpredictability". Teams don't always know who's going to shoot when Rondo has the ball either.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #144 on: February 08, 2013, 01:50:11 PM »

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Someone asked about our record w/o Rondo.  We were 8-5 last year without him and I believe we are now 7-3 without him this year.  That is 15-8, 0.652 over 2 seasons which is 53 win pace.  23 games is 28% of a season which is starting to be a pretty good sample size.

If you also look at the stats for team assists, we average about the same number of assists for the team even though we are essentially playing without a pure PG.

I am not trying to beat up on Rondo.  He is a good player but opposing teams don't respect his shot and that causes other problems.  He can't change the way he plays until he forces the other team to cover him (by making more shots).  His shot is improving but his release is still slow and he shoots from his shoulder, a very easy shot to bother, even for a defender not really covering him.

You can learn to shoot but many skills Rondo has can't be taught, like court awareness.  I doubt there are any coaches or players that don't want Rondo back, warts and all.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #145 on: February 08, 2013, 02:08:13 PM »

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Someone asked about our record w/o Rondo.  We were 8-5 last year without him and I believe we are now 7-3 without him this year.  That is 15-8, 0.652 over 2 seasons which is 53 win pace.  23 games is 28% of a season which is starting to be a pretty good sample size.

If you also look at the stats for team assists, we average about the same number of assists for the team even though we are essentially playing without a pure PG.

I am not trying to beat up on Rondo.  He is a good player but opposing teams don't respect his shot and that causes other problems.  He can't change the way he plays until he forces the other team to cover him (by making more shots).  His shot is improving but his release is still slow and he shoots from his shoulder, a very easy shot to bother, even for a defender not really covering him.

  Every time Rondo has the ball he can either pass or shoot or drive. If people get up close to him on the jumper it makes it easier for Rondo to drive and/or pass. People used to say that Rondo needed to take more shots to get defenses to respect his jumper. He's been taking more shots for a while, no change. People said he needed to shoot better so defenses would cover him closely, but that didn't do it either.

  It's true that defenders give Rondo space, it's not true that giving him that space is enough to keep him from getting assists or getting to the rim or the team shooting well. So it's true that teams give Rondo space on jumpers, it's true that that in a vacuum hurts the team, but it's not true that it stops Rondo from being an effective player.

Re: The truth is... we don't need Rondo
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2013, 06:50:28 PM »

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Someone asked about our record w/o Rondo.  We were 8-5 last year without him and I believe we are now 7-3 without him this year.  That is 15-8, 0.652 over 2 seasons which is 53 win pace.  23 games is 28% of a season which is starting to be a pretty good sample size.

If you also look at the stats for team assists, we average about the same number of assists for the team even though we are essentially playing without a pure PG.

I am not trying to beat up on Rondo.  He is a good player but opposing teams don't respect his shot and that causes other problems.
  He can't change the way he plays until he forces the other team to cover him (by making more shots).  His shot is improving but his release is still slow and he shoots from his shoulder, a very easy shot to bother, even for a defender not really covering him.

You can learn to shoot but many skills Rondo has can't be taught, like court awareness.  I doubt there are any coaches or players that don't want Rondo back, warts and all.

Thank you. We DON'T need Rondo.