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Does everyone here 100% believe in the 'official' story of 9-11?

I am not afraid to say it. I fall more in the camps of Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and Jesse Ventura.

If you had asked me 5-10 years ago, I would have said the same thing Roy was saying that these kinds of people were "crazy".

Maybe they are not "normal", but that ain't bad in my opinion. To me, in today's society, if you are normal...that ain't necessarily a good thing.

If we are going to lift this country back to the standards that our previous generations have all been used to...we need to be above normal. We need our children to be above normal.

Each and every day, I grow weary of the future generations...standards are lowered...everyone "gets a trophy". I do not believe we are grooming our future the best that we can.

We can only change if we know to change and we cannot know if we do not have all the necessary information....the truth.

If I have to experience the "crazy" conspiracy theorists in order to turn over every rock to find the truth....or at least the opportunity to LOOK for the truth...I feel it is absolutely worth it.

I would venture a guess that you know far less about previous generations than you think you do.

Maybe you are referring to the generations that owned people and didn't allow woman to vote, have custody of children after a divorce, or own property.

Maybe you refer to the generation that nearly destroyed itself in a deadly civil war over the right to own people.

Maybe you refer to my father's generation that had high rates of illiteracy, poverty FAR beyond anything you may be aware of today, NO safety nets for the elderly, mentally ill or starving children, and continued to adhere to segregationist and anti-female laws and mores.

Maybe you refer to the WW2 era when we interred Japanese Americans and refused Jews entry to our country and sat idly by for 2 years while Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other minorities were slaughtered by a madman in Europe. 

Maybe you refer to the years of my childhood when forced bussing caused race riots in many major cities and our president was caught covering up a burglary you may have heard of.  Also the generation that sent 50K men to die in VietNam.

Ahhh, the good old days. 

Frankly, this is a great country, but if you think we are 'going to heck in a handbasket' with this generation, you'll probably be surprised that there haven't been too many prior generations that haven't thought the same thing. 

BTW -- I am 54 and I still own 4 participation trophy's from when I was in Little League.  I survived.

I think you just made my point for me.

All those events you listed are milestones of how this great country has grown.

In past generations, the people of this country had great reasons and topics to fight for and fight against.

The current generation and the future generations will never have those milestones....those historic turning points.

What civil movement or societal endeavor will the new generation have? Rebelling against MTV so they can play music videos again? (Sarcasm)

To me, this country and society is de-evolving. We are not evolving and adding positives to sustain our once greatness. We are losing our shine.

Once we strip away our bare essential freedoms we will be following a path to our doom, our downfall.

If you want to sustain a championship team you have to add to it, not strip the team down. 

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http://www.hulu.com/watch/443266#i1,p0,d1

Jon Stewart drops the knowledge bombs in your earhole. He also makes fun of Alex Jones.

We need to launch an anti-mass murder media campaign targeting the mentally ill demographic?

If that's what it took to drive down DWIs and if that's what it takes to reach the people....so be it.

Now who gonna pay for all that? Our government? John Stewart?

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http://www.hulu.com/watch/443266#i1,p0,d1

Jon Stewart drops the knowledge bombs in your earhole. He also makes fun of Alex Jones.

We need to launch an anti-mass murder media campaign targeting the mentally ill demographic?

If that's what it took to drive down DWIs and if that's what it takes to reach the people....so be it.

Now who gonna pay for all that? Our government? John Stewart?

I think what you took away from the piece was very different than what I took away from the piece.

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Does everyone here 100% believe in the 'official' story of 9-11?

I am not afraid to say it. I fall more in the camps of Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and Jesse Ventura.

If you had asked me 5-10 years ago, I would have said the same thing Roy was saying that these kinds of people were "crazy".

Maybe they are not "normal", but that ain't bad in my opinion. To me, in today's society, if you are normal...that ain't necessarily a good thing.

If we are going to lift this country back to the standards that our previous generations have all been used to...we need to be above normal. We need our children to be above normal.

Each and every day, I grow weary of the future generations...standards are lowered...everyone "gets a trophy". I do not believe we are grooming our future the best that we can.

We can only change if we know to change and we cannot know if we do not have all the necessary information....the truth.

If I have to experience the "crazy" conspiracy theorists in order to turn over every rock to find the truth....or at least the opportunity to LOOK for the truth...I feel it is absolutely worth it.

I would venture a guess that you know far less about previous generations than you think you do.

Maybe you are referring to the generations that owned people and didn't allow woman to vote, have custody of children after a divorce, or own property.

Maybe you refer to the generation that nearly destroyed itself in a deadly civil war over the right to own people.

Maybe you refer to my father's generation that had high rates of illiteracy, poverty FAR beyond anything you may be aware of today, NO safety nets for the elderly, mentally ill or starving children, and continued to adhere to segregationist and anti-female laws and mores.

Maybe you refer to the WW2 era when we interred Japanese Americans and refused Jews entry to our country and sat idly by for 2 years while Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and other minorities were slaughtered by a madman in Europe. 

Maybe you refer to the years of my childhood when forced bussing caused race riots in many major cities and our president was caught covering up a burglary you may have heard of.  Also the generation that sent 50K men to die in VietNam.

Ahhh, the good old days. 

Frankly, this is a great country, but if you think we are 'going to heck in a handbasket' with this generation, you'll probably be surprised that there haven't been too many prior generations that haven't thought the same thing. 

BTW -- I am 54 and I still own 4 participation trophy's from when I was in Little League.  I survived.

I think you just made my point for me.

All those events you listed are milestones of how this great country has grown.

In past generations, the people of this country had great reasons and topics to fight for and fight against.

The current generation and the future generations will never have those milestones....those historic turning points.

What civil movement or societal endeavor will the new generation have? Rebelling against MTV so they can play music videos again? (Sarcasm)

To me, this country and society is de-evolving. We are not evolving and adding positives to sustain our once greatness. We are losing our shine.

Once we strip away our bare essential freedoms we will be following a path to our doom, our downfall.

If you want to sustain a championship team you have to add to it, not strip the team down.
What you cal de-evolving I call progress. Sorry but times were not better when just white males ruled this country and anyone not white or rich suffered.

Today's generation isn't any different than any other of the youngest generations this country has ever seen. Blacks getting freedom was going to ruin the country. Alcohol was going to ruin the country. Women voting was going to ruin the country. Clothing trends of the young were going to ruin the country. Rock and roll music was going to ruin the country. Television was going to ruin the country. Rap music was going to ruin the country.

Somehow the country survived, grew, adapted and became better even though all those young generations were going to ruin the country with their new ideas.

So now gay marriage is going to ruin the country. Reality television is going to ruin the country. The internet is going to ruin the country. Smart phones are going to ruin the country and the grow of atheism is going to ruin the country.

Somehow, I think this generation will grow, make the country better and stronger and the generation thinking this country is de-volving because of the new technologies and societal changes will look every bit as ridiculous as those generations before them who thought their younger generations were ruining the country.


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my hero...Nobel Prize winning economist...listen closely to the words in the 2 minute video...this video is over 30 years old but so salient to what we see now...the principles and the hard truth are the same.

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And as a side note to nickagenta ...I agree with you on Big Corporations. While I believe with all my heart of capitalism over socialism. Illegal Crony capitalism meaning government officials being in bed for decades with big corrupt corporations has led us to a fascist (corporate elite type government where true hard working small entrepreneurs have a smaller and smaller chance of making the American dream come true through honest capitalism and individual freedomm to create products and jobs.

 A big corrupt over spending government (which we have) combined with giant corrupt corporate power hungry CEO's in bed with this government by illegally buying power and protection in back room lobbying every day makes for the classic fascist state - which is exactly what we have. I'll keep my guns as long as I can because these situations scare me more than a very small minority of suicidal kids who find guns.   

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And as a side note to nickagenta ...I agree with you on Big Corporations. While I believe with all my heart of capitalism over socialism. Illegal Crony capitalism meaning government officials being in bed for decades with big corrupt corporations has led us to a fascist (corporate elite type government where true hard working small entrepreneurs have a smaller and smaller chance of making the American dream come true through honest capitalism and individual freedomm to create products and jobs.

 A big corrupt over spending government (which we have) combined with giant corrupt corporate power hungry CEO's in bed with this government by illegally buying power and protection in back room lobbying every day makes for the classic fascist state - which is exactly what we have. I'll keep my guns as long as I can because these situations scare me more than a very small minority of suicidal kids who find guns.

I need to check with you on this -- I think you just said a "classic fascist state" is exactly what we have here in America.  Do I have that correct? 

Please tell me the fascist states, and fascist dictatorships you would compare to present day America.  Also, let me know what our president has said or done that is fascist -- now, I'm not talking about policies that may indeed be unfriendly to small business or unfriendly to capitalism in general.  These exist. But fascist?  Sorry, no. In fact, absolutley absurd.   

This assessment is so far from what I think is true that perhaps you'll understand when I say that I don't feel even a little bit like I need a gun to potect my family from the government. 

My day so far: I went to get my mother's groceries, drove to visit her, went to the Dunkin' Donuts, gassed up my car, mailed my final college payment for my eldest daughter, dropped off packages at UPS and then at Fed Express for my wife. I am settling down now to get ready to watch football on my LCD TV. Or I could watch any of 150 channels from Fox news to MSNBC to **** to Sesame Street.  All of the above is my choice.  I may also decide to visit any of the million options on the web and probably will send a message or 2 on my favorite blog.  My choice.

We are not perfect, but I can't let you call our system fascist.  It isn't.  My grandparents fled fascist countries and thankfuly lived to tell about it. If you really think America is fascist, why in the world are you living here?

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I was born here and my relatives fought for this country. My relatives first came to Virginia from England circa late 1700's. I love this country .....so that is why I live here

We are allowed to be critical of the country we were born in and have lived for over 200 years....

Fascism by Webster :
a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


(please not the words "tendency towards"


Corporatism as defined by Webster:
the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction

And I did not say I needed my guns to provide protection from the government did I?

Why so angry

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and please don't call me absurd or what I said absurd until you fully understand what I have said - isn't that why you were asking? or was that rhetorical? so you could then rant?

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and please don't call me absurd or what I said absurd until you fully understand what I have said - isn't that why you were asking? or was that rhetorical? so you could then rant?
I hope you understand what you've said too -- especially in the part where it says autocratic and dictatorial control.
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I was born here and my relatives fought for this country. My relatives first came to Virginia from England circa late 1700's. I love this country .....so that is why I live here

We are allowed to be critical of the country we were born in and have lived for over 200 years....

Fascism by Webster :
a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


(please not the words "tendency towards"


Corporatism as defined by Webster:
the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction

And I did not say I needed my guns to provide protection from the government did I?

Why so angry
and please don't call me absurd or what I said absurd until you fully understand what I have said - isn't that why you were asking? or was that rhetorical? so you could then rant?

Anger was generated from the statement: "Classic fascist state, which is exactly what we have".  Very clear statement and difficult to misinterpret. And I do think the statement is absurd though I don't think your point of view (outside of that statement) is absurd even though I disagree. 

Another definition from Wikipedia: "Fascism (pron.: /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.[1][2] Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training.[3][4] Fascism utilizes a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation upon fascist principles.[5] Fascism views direct action including political violence and war, as a means to achieve national rejuvenation, spirit and vitality."

I'll accept being angry that America is being considered a classic fascist state.  Not sure why this makes me angry, just does.  And I apologize for impyling that you were saying you needed protection from the government. That was my interpretation of what you were saying and that interpretation was evidently wrong. Sorry about that. 

No, I wasn't really being rhetorical, I am interested in hearing about other classic fascist states that remind you of present day America.

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when I have more time I will reply as long as we promise to keep it civil ..please

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when I have more time I will reply as long as we promise to keep it civil ..please

I agree that anger doesn't really have a place in a good, thoughtful discussion.  I apologize -- I was emotionally bothered by the fascist reference and reacted.  I am very rarely not civil and can easily abide.  Hope you have a good day. Peace. 

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I think we have a government that is meant to represent the people of this country but it doesn't make that a priority anymore. Capitalism in its current form, for let's face facts, we do not have pure capitalism, has perverted our democratic form of government. Corporate power has been integrated almost seamlessly with the political parties and politicians through campaign finance and special interest lobbies to control the government and create an economy that is favorable for their continuing existence at the cost for what is best for the country.

I don't think corporations care whether government is large or small, so long as they can control it to control the market and maximize their profits. That is what has happened and so we have a government that is a democratic corporate aristocracy being sold to its constituents as a democratic republic. The "idea" of a democratic republic has been sold to the citizens of American by the corporate powers that have a stranglehold on the policy makers of this country.

Corporations control the country. They control the government through the political parties and politicians they pay off with finance funds. Corporations have these people create policy and law that is in their best interests first and foremost then they sell the view to voters that this country is theirs through television, radio, print, internet and other forms of propaganda. Talk shows, newspaper and internet reporting, advertising, political campaign advertising, etc are all forms of this corporate propaganda making people believe the government is there for them first.

Thing is, I still believe in this form of government and think it the best type in the world. What Americans have to do is to stop sucking from the teat that is corporate America. Take back your government by insisting on removing corporate influence on this government. If that can be done then the USA can once again be a government for, of and by the people.

BTW, I don't think this view of our government is all that different than Master Po's view. I just wouldn't label it fascist. As I said I would call it a democratic corporate aristocracy.

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Yeah... just a joke.. of course.

How is this acceptable to them?


 

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