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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 11:45:46 PM »

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Not surprised by the answers so far.  In truth, I'd probably pick Bradley too.  But when you compare the two players, the one thing we do know about sully is that he has a true position and can excel as a rebounder.  I'd think he peak is a poor mans Kevin Love, which is pretty [dang] good.  He he also a big, which are premium compared to guards.  Bradley, on the other hand, is still an undersized SG with very little offense.

Bradley has a true position and it is SG.
Yes, he's an undersized shooting guard.

Sully is an undersized PF, though, right?  And he doesn't possess any skills nearly as elite as Avery's defense.
I don't know.  Is he really undersized?  He's 6'9' and 270.  I suppose he is shortish but I would not classify him as undersized.  Bradley on the other hand was forced into a pg role because of his size.  And he is absolutely great as a defender.  But his size will give him problems against some guys.  Joe Johnson was abusing him before doc had to take him off him.  Kobe would likely kill Bradley in the post.  There are a handful of others that would make Bradley an average defender.

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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 12:01:03 AM »

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Bradley because his ceiling is higher due to his athleticism. I don't think we will part with either unless we are getting an extremely good player in return
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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 12:01:38 AM »

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Bradley on the other hand was forced into a pg role because of his size.

But that was an obvious mistake, something I pointed out a lot during his rookie season.
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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2013, 12:09:03 AM »

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Bradley, higher ceiling. Sullinger looks like a steal though.

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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2013, 12:09:59 AM »

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Not surprised by the answers so far.  In truth, I'd probably pick Bradley too.  But when you compare the two players, the one thing we do know about sully is that he has a true position and can excel as a rebounder.  I'd think he peak is a poor mans Kevin Love, which is pretty [dang] good.  He he also a big, which are premium compared to guards.  Bradley, on the other hand, is still an undersized SG with very little offense.

Bradley has a true position and it is SG.
Yes, he's an undersized shooting guard.

Sully is an undersized PF, though, right?  And he doesn't possess any skills nearly as elite as Avery's defense.
I don't know.  Is he really undersized?  He's 6'9' and 270.  I suppose he is shortish but I would not classify him as undersized.  Bradley on the other hand was forced into a pg role because of his size.  And he is absolutely great as a defender.  But his size will give him problems against some guys.  Joe Johnson was abusing him before doc had to take him off him.  Kobe would likely kill Bradley in the post.  There are a handful of others that would make Bradley an average defender.

The same way Sully can't score against tall, lengthy 7 footers?

Kobe kills everyone in the post. I'd trust Bradley on him than someone bigger like Joe Johnson, though. He'd be quicker.

There are a handful of others that would make Sully a below average offensive and defensive player.
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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2013, 12:23:28 AM »

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Rather Trade GREEN /BASS/Lee all day long than give up either of these guys.

I would trade ONE of them and other players , other than Melo for Cousins


Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2013, 12:27:22 AM »

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I'd trade either or both for the right player.

Odds are, no such trade develops. Neither are at their full value yet.

Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2013, 08:13:23 AM »

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I honestly think the Cs will have a mutiny on their hands if they trade Avery. Rondo, KG and Pierce all seem so infatuated with what this kid brings to the court. If those three stay intact and AB is traded this team is in trouble. With his recent play i also think a Sully trade is going to be hard to swallow unless the over whelming consequence is that danny really wins out on a deal.

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2013, 09:01:31 AM »

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If I was made to choose between the 2 it would have to be sully.  Bradley can change a game with his defense, still a kid and I would not want to have to play him.  To me a package of bass, lee or terry, melo and draft pick would get a good center in here.
so my vote is neither  ;)
sully is only going to get better and he's a young rookie with great rebounding, nice jump shooting and passing and improving in leaps and bounds on defense
reminds me of paul silas but with more range

Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2013, 01:31:10 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2013, 01:38:13 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.
Bradley finished at 64% at the rim last year, that's very good for a guard, and he took 40% of his shots there too. He can finish just fine, the question is can he recapture his corner three prowess this year.

Just being an active and agressive cutter and hitting corner threes is offense enough, especially since he's dangerous in transition as well.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2013, 01:46:35 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.
Bradley finished at 64% at the rim last year, that's very good for a guard, and he took 40% of his shots there too. He can finish just fine, the question is can he recapture his corner three prowess this year.

Just being an active and agressive cutter and hitting corner threes is offense enough, especially since he's dangerous in transition as well.

He finished with a high percentage at the rim because of the uncontested layups he was being fed from Rondo. I do give him credit for being a good cutter but if we're talking about a guy being untradeable Bradley shouldn't be in the discussion IMO. His defensive skill set is unique, but everything else about him screams average. There is no flow to his offensive game. Everything seems rushed and out of control, except for when he cuts to the rim.

Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2013, 01:49:10 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.
Bradley finished at 64% at the rim last year, that's very good for a guard, and he took 40% of his shots there too. He can finish just fine, the question is can he recapture his corner three prowess this year.

Just being an active and agressive cutter and hitting corner threes is offense enough, especially since he's dangerous in transition as well.

He finished with a high percentage at the rim because of the uncontested layups he was being fed from Rondo. I do give him credit for being a good cutter but if we're talking about a guy being untradeable Bradley shouldn't be in the discussion IMO. His defensive skill set is unique, but everything else about him screams average. There is no flow to his offensive game. Everything seems rushed and out of control, except for when he cuts to the rim.

On a team full of jump shooters, running the floor and attacking the rim and cutting to the rim are quite valuable.


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Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2013, 01:54:28 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.
Bradley finished at 64% at the rim last year, that's very good for a guard, and he took 40% of his shots there too. He can finish just fine, the question is can he recapture his corner three prowess this year.

Just being an active and agressive cutter and hitting corner threes is offense enough, especially since he's dangerous in transition as well.

He finished with a high percentage at the rim because of the uncontested layups he was being fed from Rondo. I do give him credit for being a good cutter but if we're talking about a guy being untradeable Bradley shouldn't be in the discussion IMO. His defensive skill set is unique, but everything else about him screams average. There is no flow to his offensive game. Everything seems rushed and out of control, except for when he cuts to the rim.

On a team full of jump shooters, running the floor and attacking the rim and cutting to the rim are quite valuable.

It seems that he always has an opportunity to cut to the rim unnoticed because his man is not paying attention to him. There is no threat to Bradley's offensive game. If the defenders actually paid attention to him i doubt he would get so many easy uncontested layups. I find Sullingers rebounding to be more useful to this team because lets be honest, they are one of the worst rebounding teams there is. So if we're talking trade, i would rather trade the defensive specialist who gets replaced by a guy who is a decent defender, rather than replace the only guy on the entire squad who can rebound the ball.

Re: Bradley or Sullinger?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2013, 02:00:15 PM »

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Maybe i'm alone on this, but i find Avery Bradley to be incredibly overrated. His defense is top notch, but his offense is pretty bad. He cannot shoot (i've seen quite a few of his jumpers hit no rim and nothing but the backboard) he has no handles, is small for a 2 guard, and he cannot finish in traffic. Maybe he will get better, but i'm not impressed with his overall game. Sullinger impresses me when i watch him. He makes dumb fouls, but he is a very good rebounder and he has a good looking jump shot. Bradley makes a pretty huge difference for them on the defensive end, but he is a defensive specialist, nothing more. I am fine with moving Bradley and allowing Lee to get more minutes.
Bradley finished at 64% at the rim last year, that's very good for a guard, and he took 40% of his shots there too. He can finish just fine, the question is can he recapture his corner three prowess this year.

Just being an active and agressive cutter and hitting corner threes is offense enough, especially since he's dangerous in transition as well.

He finished with a high percentage at the rim because of the uncontested layups he was being fed from Rondo. I do give him credit for being a good cutter but if we're talking about a guy being untradeable Bradley shouldn't be in the discussion IMO. His defensive skill set is unique, but everything else about him screams average. There is no flow to his offensive game. Everything seems rushed and out of control, except for when he cuts to the rim.

On a team full of jump shooters, running the floor and attacking the rim and cutting to the rim are quite valuable.

It seems that he always has an opportunity to cut to the rim unnoticed because his man is not paying attention to him. There is no threat to Bradley's offensive game. If the defenders actually paid attention to him i doubt he would get so many easy uncontested layups. I find Sullingers rebounding to be more useful to this team because lets be honest, they are one of the worst rebounding teams there is. So if we're talking trade, i would rather trade the defensive specialist who gets replaced by a guy who is a decent defender, rather than replace the only guy on the entire squad who can rebound the ball.

1. If we are getting a big man in a trade (I.e. Cousins, Varejao) he replaces rebounding and post offense so sullys production will be replaced and improved in that sense.

2. I think you are underselling B's offense. He showed that he is more offensively gifted than just a cutter on offense when he started last year.

3. I can't believe how much you are negating his cutting ability. Im sorry but its not as simple as "no one is guarding him"

 

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