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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2013, 07:17:13 PM »

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Royce is not an underdog in this case, he had or should have had capable lawyers negotiating a million dollar contract for him.

I dont know that the Rockets made any promises to him, but I do know that the the ADA covers mental disabilites as well as physical. I doubt that the Rockets would promise anything more than the liberal ADA protections.

Bottom line is Rockets cannot wage this battle in the media so they may take some PR hits, I doubt that they lose in court because they are asking a BB player to play BB.

Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2013, 07:29:20 PM »

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Royce is not an underdog in this case, he had or should have had capable lawyers negotiating a million dollar contract for him.

I dont know that the Rockets made any promises to him, but I do know that the the ADA covers mental disabilites as well as physical. I doubt that the Rockets would promise anything more than the liberal ADA protections.

Bottom line is Rockets cannot wage this battle in the media so they may take some PR hits, I doubt that they lose in court because they are asking a BB player to play BB.

I don't think this is on the rockets more than it is on the nba. White has recently come out to point fingers to the NBA

Again this is not as simple as asking a BB player to play BB. It is usually easy, but not when you deal with a guy like Royce White who needs assurances first.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2013, 07:31:31 PM »

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what kind of assurances does he need?

Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2013, 07:51:10 PM »

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Can we please refrain from calling people with a mental illness crazy? The term is demeaning and insulting.

He has an anxiety issue. Whether he is acting in his best interests and Houston is pushing him to make unhealthy decisions or whether he is using his illness as a crutch to get traded somewhere he can get playing time or get released so he can go play for the team of his choice, is debatable.

But calling him crazy because he suffers from an illness is wrong. He might be manipulative, lazy, uninspired, unmotivated, disappointed in his employment situation or completely correct in fighting for his rights as his employer is expecting him to do things that are bad for his mental health. He could be any of those things.

So let's discuss that instead of just labeling him with a word that is a bit insulting to those with mental illness.

Dude chill.

I didn't call him crazy to insult his mental illness. I called him crazy because the of the way he approaches and handles issues.. He is single handily deterring other nba teams from drafting players with mental health issues. I'd call anyone showing this type of unprofessionalism "crazy". Especially when they are inked to a multi-million dollar contract. Publicly disrespecting your employer who writes your 5-6 figure checks, now that's crazy. Anyone who does that is crazy.
First off, I am chill.

Don't like being told nicely to not insult people that are different, then don't be insulting to those people who are different. I thought it pretty obvious some were calling White crazy because he has an illness, you included.

Sorry, but I am not buying your revision of what you said. I have heard the whole "I didnt call him that because he is black. I called him that because of the way he was acting" b.s. a little too much in my lifetime.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2013, 08:02:35 PM »

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what kind of assurances does he need?

He needs the travelling on the bus as much as possible and able to see his own doctor, in writing by the Rockets. This is my guess as to his main demands

The bus riding thing is already in place but i just think he is paranoid and wants it in writing. The seeing his own medical doctor, is probably something houston can't grant without violating the cba. I personally can't see what the big deal is. Let him see his own doctor, the end.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2013, 08:07:42 PM »

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I cannot imagine that the cba requires the league or team to pick a players personal treating physician for a condition that is not work related. I am sure he can treat with his own physicians, but the team has a right to evaluation by a doctor of their  chosing to determine if he needs accomodation, otherwise how does the team evaluate his requests.


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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2013, 08:20:41 PM »

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Can we please refrain from calling people with a mental illness crazy? The term is demeaning and insulting.

He has an anxiety issue. Whether he is acting in his best interests and Houston is pushing him to make unhealthy decisions or whether he is using his illness as a crutch to get traded somewhere he can get playing time or get released so he can go play for the team of his choice, is debatable.

But calling him crazy because he suffers from an illness is wrong. He might be manipulative, lazy, uninspired, unmotivated, disappointed in his employment situation or completely correct in fighting for his rights as his employer is expecting him to do things that are bad for his mental health. He could be any of those things.

So let's discuss that instead of just labeling him with a word that is a bit insulting to those with mental illness.

Dude chill.

I didn't call him crazy to insult his mental illness. I called him crazy because the of the way he approaches and handles issues.. He is single handily deterring other nba teams from drafting players with mental health issues. I'd call anyone showing this type of unprofessionalism "crazy". Especially when they are inked to a multi-million dollar contract. Publicly disrespecting your employer who writes your 5-6 figure checks, now that's crazy. Anyone who does that is crazy.
First off, I am chill.

Don't like being told nicely to not insult people that are different, then don't be insulting to those people who are different. I thought it pretty obvious some were calling White crazy because he has an illness, you included.

Sorry, but I am not buying your revision of what you said. I have heard the whole "I didnt call him that because he is black. I called him that because of the way he was acting" b.s. a little too much in my lifetime.
duh..you're supposed to say Mentally ill American. Or is it sanity challenged? Quick. Language Police. What is the non-b.s. label du jour?  Does anyone here have a degree in liberal arts?  Preferably from a school in the San Francisco or New York city area? Possibly Harvard. Hurry doctor. We don't have much time.

Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2013, 08:39:55 PM »

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The Rockets seem to be fine without him. Waive the guy.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2013, 08:39:59 PM »

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I cannot imagine that the cba requires the league or team to pick a players personal treating physician for a condition that is not work related. I am sure he can treat with his own physicians, but the team has a right to evaluation by a doctor of their  chosing to determine if he needs accomodation, otherwise how does the team evaluate his requests.

By using Royce's doctor of choice evaluation and report. If Royce has to miss practice bc the last flight back really took alot out of him, his doctor prob approve that. But the team doctor not really knowing his history might be all caring in front of Royce but to the front office tell them that he could actually practice. Royce could get fined then and benched for missing practice

I'm just guessing here as to why Royce rather see his doctor vs teams doctor.
 
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2013, 09:33:44 PM »

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well Rockets cannot hand total control to Royce and his doctor the team has a right to have him evaluated by its own doctors.

Its just like any other situation you do not have the player's doctor performing pre-employment evaluations. Royce will not win this one, if that is the fight.

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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2013, 10:00:34 PM »

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does anyone actually know exactly:

1. what houston has promised to do to accommodate white's condition?

2. what it is exactly that white is stating is unreasonable/unacceptable about what houston is promising? that is, it is a LACK of things, that the things offered are inadequate, or both?

unless we know these items, i am not sure how anyone can come down on one side or another in this tussle.

it does look as if the lawyers are about to take over the whole process. the implications for accommodations for workers could be huge.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2013, 10:24:54 PM »

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Given how the Celtics had to recall Fab Melo in order to treat him for his concussion, I wonder whether or not Houston is allowed to properly deal with White and his condition to the satisfaction of the player and doctors if he is on assignment to the D-League.
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2013, 11:20:16 PM »

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well Rockets cannot hand total control to Royce and his doctor the team has a right to have him evaluated by its own doctors.

Its just like any other situation you do not have the player's doctor performing pre-employment evaluations. Royce will not win this one, if that is the fight.

sorry but no. In all other cases having to do with injuries or something physical related a team doctor or non team doctor specialist can evaluate.

But i doubt they are specialist in dealing with mental disorders. And if they do have psychiatrists , how quick/accurately can they assess Whites condition at any given time. For mental health, having a history and relationship with your doctor is crucial.

Again this is a special situation where i can see both sides of the coin. Royce didn't have some of these minor issues in college because he was allowed to see and get treatment/evaluation from doctors of his choice
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Re: Rockets Suspend Royce White
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2013, 11:27:51 PM »

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Okay you are really starting to confuse me here.

There is no way the Houston Rockets can prevent Royce White from treating his mental illness with a doctor of his choice as long as he pays for the treatment. If you doubt that you need to go bone up on the US Constitution and a case called Rowe vs. Wade.

What the Rockets may have as an employer is the right to have White's diability prescriptions and requests for modified work, work restrictions, and work accomodations verified by an independent medical examiner.

I am about to be done with this thread unless you have concrete proof that the NBA or Rockets have told White he does not have the right to choose his own treating physicans.

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« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2013, 11:42:43 PM »

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I think the bigger issue is that the rockets aren't accepting White's doctors recs, and are going on what their own doctors are telling them.

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