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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

Other than we're talking here about defense... and most of the damage was done by Lou, who get this, was guarded by one named Rondo, who also turned the ball over 4+ times in the first half alone.

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This is on the heals of Washburn's story earlier in the week, hinting at a dichotomy of the locker room and there definitely being a faction that is not as caring of the results occurring than some others.

This is another article that is fostering that implication without actually naming names.

As I said before, watch any upcoming Celtics' trades. Those going out are more than likely those that do not have the attitude that this team has had for the past 5 years.
DKC Brooklyn Nets
Pick 2 New Orleans Pelicans
PG: George Hill/Jameer Nelson
SG: Victor Oladipo/Mario Chalmers/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass/Mike Scott
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter

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Such a non-story. Players arguing out of frustration when the team is down? I'm sure this doesn't happen in any team sport on any level ever.


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I'd like to to know who was doing the "bickering".

Probably KG and Rondo.

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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

Other than we're talking here about defense... and most of the damage was done by Lou, who get this, was guarded by one named Rondo, who also turned the ball over 4+ times in the first half alone.
I don't understand. While Rondo was on his way to a triple double last night which of the new guys was playing such great defense? Because I totally missed that.

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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

Other than we're talking here about defense... and most of the damage was done by Lou, who get this, was guarded by one named Rondo, who also turned the ball over 4+ times in the first half alone.
I don't understand. While Rondo was on his way to a triple double last night which of the new guys was playing such great defense? Because I totally missed that.

Have I made a claim where our players were playing great defense? I completely missed it. All I'm saying is that the main culprit for our first half problems was Rondo. His defensive effort was non-existent, and he was doing a very poor job offensively.

He wasn't on his way to a triple double in the first half, sorry, but that's not the way he played.

And since he's apparently our leader, everything should start with him, so I don't see the point of pointing fingers at our bench/new guys, when our starters were doing such a poor job in the first place.

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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

Other than we're talking here about defense... and most of the damage was done by Lou, who get this, was guarded by one named Rondo, who also turned the ball over 4+ times in the first half alone.
I don't understand. While Rondo was on his way to a triple double last night which of the new guys was playing such great defense? Because I totally missed that.

Have I made a claim where our players were playing great defense? I completely missed it. All I'm saying is that the main culprit for our first half problems was Rondo. His defensive effort was non-existent, and he was doing a very poor job offensively.

He wasn't on his way to a triple double in the first half, sorry, but that's not the way he played.

And since he's apparently our leader, everything should start with him, so I don't see the point of pointing fingers at our bench/new guys, when our starters were doing such a poor job in the first place.
I think the difference is that Rondo has been known to play well. He does it sometimes. I haven't seen any of the new guys play well. I can't recall a time this year when I thought "Man. I am so glad we have this guy".  A couple of them are being paid that way. When you're on the bench and the starter is having a bad game it's not your job to come in and play just as bad. I think that's why the new guys get more fingers pointed at them.  The only new guy that plays well is Sully.  You can't expect all the starters to all have a good game every game. But you can expect the new guys to have more than one guy have a good game more than once in a while. But it never happens.

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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

Other than we're talking here about defense... and most of the damage was done by Lou, who get this, was guarded by one named Rondo, who also turned the ball over 4+ times in the first half alone.
I don't understand. While Rondo was on his way to a triple double last night which of the new guys was playing such great defense? Because I totally missed that.

Have I made a claim where our players were playing great defense? I completely missed it. All I'm saying is that the main culprit for our first half problems was Rondo. His defensive effort was non-existent, and he was doing a very poor job offensively.

He wasn't on his way to a triple double in the first half, sorry, but that's not the way he played.

And since he's apparently our leader, everything should start with him, so I don't see the point of pointing fingers at our bench/new guys, when our starters were doing such a poor job in the first place.
I think the difference is that Rondo has been known to play well. He does it sometimes. I haven't seen any of the new guys play well. I can't recall a time this year when I thought "Man. I am so glad we have this guy".  A couple of them are being paid that way. When you're on the bench and the starter is having a bad game it's not your job to come in and play just as bad. I think that's why the new guys get more fingers pointed at them.  The only new guy that plays well is Sully.  You can't expect all the starters to all have a good game every game. But you can expect the new guys to have more than one guy have a good game more than once in a while. But it never happens.

Lee is playing well, but for some reason Doc refuses to give him more playing time, including yesterday... which worked out since Terry actually played good defense in the 4th quarter.

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This just shows that Doc is the right coach for this team.  Also shows that it's players' effort that's been lacking all along, not Doc's system or rotation.

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I only caught the last few minutes of the first half, then the majority of the second half last night, but there are very few teams in the league who are prepared to deal with the level of intensity the Celtics brought in the second half.  It makes the `07-`08 team all the more impressive to reflect on, because they basically played at that level for an entire season.

We simply have not seen Rondo diving for loose balls in the regular season. 

I don't know that we should expect them to maintain that level of intensity throughout the season, but it's at least comforting to know that that level is still attainable.

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Hopefully this doesn't get overblown

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I'm not worried about this. Quick someone drug up the Cavs GM and make this happen, trade Green, Collins, Melo and a Pick for Varejao and Gee.

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I think Green is definitely heading out of town and it would not surprise me if Jet was also on the list. They need a backup big and a backup SF if Green is gone, although in my opinion, any journeyman small forward can give them what Green is giving them.

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This will be blown out of proportion (I can already see the Rondo bashers looking for ways to blame him), but obviously the team came out of it and played well. This is a non-story.


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its most likely the new guys....Doc is trying to instill in them that you have to play with that intensity level EVERY NIGHT.

our starters know it...and if our bench can keep playing like that intensity level we will win alot of games going forward.

these last 2 games were important for them...to know that even if you are down 15points..you can with WITH YOUR DEFENSE

now, lets bring on the knicks.

Why keep pointing fingers at our new guys... it was our starters principally that weren't getting the job done last night in the first half, in particular Rondo who was awful on both ends of the floor.
Because Jet went 2-8 with 0 blocks, steals, or rebs in over 25 mins, while Jeff Preen went 1-4 with 0, blocks, or steals, one reb, and one TO in 15 mins. Jason Collins also had zero rebs, steals or blocks in almost 4 mins, and keep in mind that was mostly against Zaza. Nobody is saying anything bad against Sully who went 4 for 8, with 9 rebs, two assists, and a block in 23 and a half minutes.

And you obviously didn't watch the game and are only interested in box scored, because Terry, Collins and Green all showed some very nice effort on defense which the box score nicely fails to tell.

 

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