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Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« on: January 05, 2013, 10:54:41 AM »

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Jason Terry
30.1 minutes/gm
.432 FG %
.378 3PT%
.873% FT%
2.0 rebs
2.1 assts
0.1 blks
1.0 stls
1.2 TO
11.2 pts/gm

Ray Allen
25.8 minutes/gm
.477 FG%
.457 3PT % (NBA/4th & Career High)
.894 FT%
3.4 rebs
1.7 assts
0.1 blks
0.9 stls
1.2 TO
11.3 pts/gm

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 10:57:01 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.


Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 11:00:02 AM »

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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 11:03:27 AM »

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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?.  They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 11:03:52 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently?  I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles.  Pure floor spacers.  Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 11:06:19 AM »

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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?.  They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.
Self-explanatory.  Ray is only an average defender and rebounder, and I thought it was clear he's superior to Terry in those areas both now and throughout their careers (and not insignificantly).

Edit:  For the record, Ray's rebound rate doubles Terry's.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 11:12:31 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently?  I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles.  Pure floor spacers.  Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."

I guess I misspoke.  Their style of play is different is more accurate.  Still, completely different teams.

Ray Allen has the luxury of playing off of James and Wade.  He is an afterthought for defenses.  Terry gets more attention.  Switch the players on their respective teams, and you'd like see a different story.  Ray would still be more efficient but less effective overall.  Terry would likely be more efficient, but probably have the same averages in raw numbers.

That being said, sure Ray is playing better for certain.  Terry has just been really bad on offense this year in strecthes.  He has had some good games though.  Terry is probably better on defense, as bad as he has been.  Ray has killed Miami's defense this year when he is on the court.

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2013, 11:14:17 AM »

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Scoring/spacing aside, I think the defense and rebounding is the real difference.
Can you explain what you mean?.  They are both mediocre defenders and rebounders.

Rebounding / Guards / NBA

Ray Allen
3.4
31st

Paul George
7.3
1st

Andre Iguodala
5.7
2nd

Kobe
5.2
4th

Westbrook
5.1
5th

Rondo
5.0
6th

Wade
4.5
8th

Harden
4.3
12th

Kidd
4.3
12th

Sefolosha
4.2
14th

Holliday
4.1
15th

Vince Carter
3.9
18th

Lin
3.8
20th

Mayo
3.6
23rd

Jennings
3.6
25th

Paul
3.5
26th

Tony Allen
3.5
27th

Monta Ellis
3.5
28th

Ginobili
3.5
28th

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 11:24:01 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently? 

Jason Terry is a combo guard.  Ray is a pure 2-guard.  Terry was brought in to play both the 1 and the 2, which he does.

Terry is also a bench player at this point in his career.  We have played him too much in our starting lineup.  He was on pace for the most games started since his 2006-2007 season with Dallas before AB came back.

Ray left us because we benched him.

Two totally different roles.

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 11:25:29 AM »

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I'll still take Ray any day of the week.

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 11:30:02 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently?  I think it'd be difficult to find two guys with more similar roles.  Pure floor spacers.  Ray drives the ball/attacks the rim more and has a bigger role in the clutch, but overall I wouldn't say "totally different."

I guess I misspoke.  Their style of play is different is more accurate.  Still, completely different teams.

Ray Allen has the luxury of playing off of James and Wade.  He is an afterthought for defenses.  Terry gets more attention.  Switch the players on their respective teams, and you'd like see a different story.  Ray would still be more efficient but less effective overall.  Terry would likely be more efficient, but probably have the same averages in raw numbers.

That being said, sure Ray is playing better for certain.  Terry has just been really bad on offense this year in strecthes.  He has had some good games though.  Terry is probably better on defense, as bad as he has been.  Ray has killed Miami's defense this year when he is on the court.
Ah okay.  I concede "totally different teams."
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2013, 11:33:21 AM »

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I don't think there would be all that much difference if we traded Jason Terry for Ray Allen tomorrow.  Ray is statistically more efficient this year but I think Jason Terry is a little more versitile (more of a creater, can play some PG,...).  Ray may be a little more clutch as well so OK, maybe a slight edge to Ray.

Re: Jason Terry vs Ray Allen
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2013, 11:38:08 AM »

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Totally different roles for different teams.
What do they do differently? 

Jason Terry is a combo guard.  Ray is a pure 2-guard.  Terry was brought in to play both the 1 and the 2, which he does.

Terry is also a bench player at this point in his career.  We have played him too much in our starting lineup.  He was on pace for the most games started since his 2006-2007 season with Dallas before AB came back.

Ray left us because we benched him.

Two totally different roles.
Haha, Courtney Lee brings up the ball more than Terry.  He's certainly not playing much backup point for us.  Sure he guards some 1s, but he's nothing close to the combo guard he was in Dallas.

Honestly, this year Ray handles the ball more as a 2 than Terry does at both positions. 
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

 

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