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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2013, 02:39:14 PM »
1. Lillard
2. Davis
3. Barnes
4. Drummond
5. MKG
6. Ezeli
7. Waiters
8. Sully
9. Leonard
10. Nicholson

That's for right now.  By the end of the season, Davis will win ROY.

No Beal?

I really thought Beal was going to be better than he is.  That being said, I haven't watched the Wiz a whole lot this season, so I'm probably not the right guy to judge his performance.

Once Wall returns, I think Beal will play much, much better.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2013, 06:54:55 PM »
Drummond is >> than Ezeli.

Ezeli is doing his job as a center, clogging up the middle, rebounding and blocking shots. But in terms of any offensive help, he is not contributing

Drummond is doing everything ezeli is and scoring also. Pistons are on a run right now. Monroe and Drummond are looking like a dangerous front court combo
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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2013, 03:13:46 PM »
Sully should be higher up now.
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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2013, 03:41:43 PM »
Bggest Bust so far is Austin Rivers!!

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2013, 03:53:25 PM »
Top ten in WS48 (using b-r.com's formula) among rookies with a minimum of 300 minutes played.

1. Andre Drummond
2. Jared Sullinger
3. John Henson
4. Anthony Davis
5. Meyers Leonard
6. Chris Copeland (undrafted)
7. Jonas Valanciunas (drafted in 2011)
8. Andrew Nicholson
9. Damian Lillard
10. Pablo Prigoni (undrafted)

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2013, 04:45:21 PM »
Top ten in WS48 (using b-r.com's formula) among rookies with a minimum of 300 minutes played.

1. Andre Drummond
2. Jared Sullinger
3. John Henson
4. Anthony Davis
5. Meyers Leonard
6. Chris Copeland (undrafted)
7. Jonas Valanciunas (drafted in 2011)
8. Andrew Nicholson
9. Damian Lillard
10. Pablo Prigoni (undrafted)
Copeland and Leonard ahead of Lilliard? How?

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2013, 05:16:56 PM »
Top ten in WS48 (using b-r.com's formula) among rookies with a minimum of 300 minutes played.

1. Andre Drummond
2. Jared Sullinger
3. John Henson
4. Anthony Davis
5. Meyers Leonard
6. Chris Copeland (undrafted)
7. Jonas Valanciunas (drafted in 2011)
8. Andrew Nicholson
9. Damian Lillard
10. Pablo Prigoni (undrafted)
Copeland and Leonard ahead of Lilliard? How?

Minutes played and usage. Lilliard spends more time against better players, and handles the ball more often. Its gonna hurt his efficiency a bit.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2013, 05:36:35 PM »
Drummond and Lillard are CLEARLY the two front-runners. They have had the most impact on the court this year.

Davis has been good, but not as good as them. Sorry, but that's just the truth. Look at their games, look at their numbers. Davis has a higher ceiling than either of them, but as of the way they've played this year Davis just hasn't been as impactful a player as either of them.

If you are putting Davis as number 1, you are doing so out of potential, not out of what has actually happened this year.

So Davis I will put at 3. Sully and Kidd-Gilchrist should be next (the latter has been massively underrated by getting inconsistent minutes on a bad team).

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2013, 05:41:27 PM »
Drummond and Lillard are CLEARLY the two front-runners. They have had the most impact on the court this year.

Davis has been good, but not as good as them. Sorry, but that's just the truth. Look at their games, look at their numbers. Davis has a higher ceiling than either of them, but as of the way they've played this year Davis just hasn't been as impactful a player as either of them.

If you are putting Davis as number 1, you are doing so out of potential, not out of what has actually happened this year.

So Davis I will put at 3. Sully and Kidd-Gilchrist should be next (the latter has been massively underrated by getting inconsistent minutes on a bad team).
Agree Drummond and Lilard have been better than Davis so far.  I think Drummond may have a higher ceiling than Davis too.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2013, 05:50:27 PM »
Davis just strikes me as a guy who doesn't really want it that bad. I'm not really seeing the effort. He seems content to take his time and develop. He seems to be looking at Lopez and Ryan Anderson like "Wow. You guys are good. Hey Eric Gordon is good too." like he's trying to fit in or something. The guy should be showing killer instinct. He's not. It's like he's waiting for the HGH to kick in or something.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2013, 06:50:00 PM »
Davis just strikes me as a guy who doesn't really want it that bad. I'm not really seeing the effort. He seems content to take his time and develop. He seems to be looking at Lopez and Ryan Anderson like "Wow. You guys are good. Hey Eric Gordon is good too." like he's trying to fit in or something. The guy should be showing killer instinct. He's not. It's like he's waiting for the HGH to kick in or something.

I haven't watched the Hornets a ton this season, but when I have, Davis has looked great.

He runs the floor well, has energy on defense, and seems to be a great teammate.  If the guy could add a jump hook and 20-25 pounds, he'd be a beast.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2013, 08:26:14 PM »
Top ten in WS48 (using b-r.com's formula) among rookies with a minimum of 300 minutes played.

1. Andre Drummond
2. Jared Sullinger
3. John Henson
4. Anthony Davis
5. Meyers Leonard
6. Chris Copeland (undrafted)
7. Jonas Valanciunas (drafted in 2011)
8. Andrew Nicholson
9. Damian Lillard
10. Pablo Prigoni (undrafted)

Damian Lillard behind Meyers Leonard and Jonas Valanciunas.

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Re: 2012 drafted rookies ranking so far
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2013, 12:40:22 AM »
Top ten in WS48 (using b-r.com's formula) among rookies with a minimum of 300 minutes played.

1. Andre Drummond
2. Jared Sullinger
3. John Henson
4. Anthony Davis
5. Meyers Leonard
6. Chris Copeland (undrafted)
7. Jonas Valanciunas (drafted in 2011)
8. Andrew Nicholson
9. Damian Lillard
10. Pablo Prigoni (undrafted)
Copeland and Leonard ahead of Lilliard? How?

Minutes played and usage. Lilliard spends more time against better players, and handles the ball more often. Its gonna hurt his efficiency a bit.

It has more to do with Lilliard being an inefficient volume scorer whose shooting percentages resemble those of players like Jamal Crawford or Rudy Gay.  His stats do look a lot like Crawford with more assists and fewer free throws at a lower rate.
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