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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 11:22:53 PM » |
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Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.
A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.
I agree he won't be a star but I think he will reach the ceiling of a starter for a playoff caliber team.
Yeah, but couldn't any of the top 45 or so SFs start on a playoff caliber team, assuming they were surrounded by the proper teammates?
Keith Bogans, for instance, started 82 games for a team that went 62-20.
Pick 1 to have for 4 years completely healthy, in thier mid to late 20s: Carlos delfino or Jeff Green That's the kind of thing that has bugged me about Green this year. Before it would've been Green, easy. Now it's harder. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2013, 11:26:10 PM » |
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Jeff Green is already decent. The problem is that he'll probably never be much more than that.
A lot of fans seem to have talked themselves into believing that Green will eventually become a star-level player, a capable replacement for Paul Pierce. That's not happening. Green will show flashes of brilliance, but I think he'll always be an inconsistent player.
I agree he won't be a star but I think he will reach the ceiling of a starter for a playoff caliber team.
Yeah, but couldn't any of the top 45 or so SFs start on a playoff caliber team, assuming they were surrounded by the proper teammates?
Keith Bogans, for instance, started 82 games for a team that went 62-20.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2013, 11:28:57 PM » |
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He needs to watch Paul Pierce. Pierce scores almost entirely on savvy and footwork now. Green has all the athleticism he needs and his shot is respectable, but his footwork sucks. He has no ability to change direction with the basketball, and if cut off of his initial drive then he can only throw up a poor shot or a turnover. It makes him ineffective in the iso situations in which the team tries to use him.
I don't know how much he can improve on that. In the meantime, they need to have him moving off of the ball like Bradley. With his length and hops, he should be good for a backdoor alley-oop every night. They just don't use him that way, and I don't know why.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2013, 11:34:42 PM » |
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I'm starting to lose hope.
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2013, 11:38:25 PM » |
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I will say that I think his defensive effort is better than I've ever seen it before. He's been a solid-to-good defender in my opinion.
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2013, 12:01:17 AM » |
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I see more postive body language , he looks INTO the game, just like LEE, I think Green is trying to make an impact. He still seems rusty and needs to work on his offensive moves to the basket.
If he acted like he didn't care then I'd be worried.
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2013, 12:12:52 AM » |
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I think if he started at small forward he would be solid. He has either played out of position (Oklahoma) or as a bench player (Boston) his entire career. His numbers as a small forward are very good. I know this sounds awful but it would be interesting to see what would happen if Pierce had to miss say 4 games or so. Then we could see what Green could do at his natural position with decent minutes.
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2013, 12:38:17 AM » |
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I see more postive body language , he looks INTO the game, just like LEE, I think Green is trying to make an impact. He still seems rusty and needs to work on his offensive moves to the basket.
If he acted like he didn't care then I'd be worried.
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2013, 12:51:34 AM » |
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He is decent. The real question is "Will Green ever be worth his new 4 year, 45 Million Dollar, contract?" My answer is no. I did a great job of rationalizing the new contract and pumping my self up over the off-season, but now that the games are being played I have to face the facts. It's pretty clear he's the same unagressive, no impact inefficient player he's always been. If Paul Pierce's footwork, and craftiness was easily duplicated he wouldn't be such a special player. It doesn't matter if you have the tools if you don't know how to use them. Green is just one of those guys. IMO, the best thing we can do is trade him for some smaller/shorter more reasonable contracts. I truly do hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't think I will be.
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2013, 12:53:50 AM » |
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He is decent. The real question is "Will Green ever be worth his new 4 year, 45 Million Dollar, contract?" My answer is no. I did a great job of rationalizing the new contract and pumping my self up over the off-season, but now that the games are being played it's pretty clear he's the same player he's always been. If Paul Pierce's footwork, and craftiness was easily duplicated he wouldn't be such a special player. It doesn't matter if you have the tools if you don't know how to use them. Green is just one of those guys. IMO, the best thing we can do is trade him for some smaller/shorter more reasonable contracts. I truly do hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't think I will be.
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2013, 02:56:21 AM » |
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He's a solid player - he's not a star player, but he's solid.
He's starting to play some really decent defense, his rebounding is steady improving, and his effort is looking much better.
He's just not scoring a million points because he's not getting the plays called for him, but he'll settle in fine.
Worth the contact no, but he's solid.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2013, 03:29:21 AM » |
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 Just ask Paul Pierce who spells him while he rests. Anyone who wants to trade Jeff Green had better have a decent replacement coming back - just not some scrub. |
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C- Bill Walton/James "Buddha" Edwards/Danny Schayes/Caldwell Jones
PF-Buck Williams/Caldwell Jones/Danny Schayes
SF-Adrian Dantley/Ricky Pierce/Greg Ballard
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2013, 03:35:21 AM » |
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Just ask Paul Pierce who spells him while he rests.
Anyone who wants to trade Jeff Green had better have a decent replacement coming back - just not some scrub.
A decent backup 3 isn't terribly hard to find, if that's your priority. At this point, Inwant no parts of Green's contract. |
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2013, 03:38:03 AM » |
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Just ask Paul Pierce who spells him while he rests.
Anyone who wants to trade Jeff Green had better have a decent replacement coming back - just not some scrub.
A decent backup 3 isn't terribly hard to find, if that's your priority.
At this point, Inwant no parts of Green's contract.
Well, let's list some decent backup SFs that are available who want to play for BOS, subbing behind Pierce... |
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CelticsBlog 2013 Historical Draft Seattle Supersonics: Coach: Jerry Sloan
C- Bill Walton/James "Buddha" Edwards/Danny Schayes/Caldwell Jones
PF-Buck Williams/Caldwell Jones/Danny Schayes
SF-Adrian Dantley/Ricky Pierce/Greg Ballard
SG-Eddie Johnson/Ricky Pierce/Trent Tucker
PG-Maurice "Mo" Cheeks/Lionel Hollins
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2013, 03:55:53 AM » |
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Just ask Paul Pierce who spells him while he rests.
Anyone who wants to trade Jeff Green had better have a decent replacement coming back - just not some scrub.
A decent backup 3 isn't terribly hard to find, if that's your priority.
At this point, Inwant no parts of Green's contract.
Well, let's list some decent backup SFs that are available who want to play for BOS, subbing behind Pierce...
Well want to is different than 'could be acquired'. Off the top of my mind, Chase Buddiger Jared Dudley Carlos Delfino Grant Hill All come to mind. Every one of those would give similar production or better than what Green is currently offering Landry Fields is also an ideal candidate, but his contract is just so terrible. |
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