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If KG was never traded here. Where would Danny be?
« on: January 03, 2013, 02:39:44 PM »

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 If his buddy Kevin Mchale, never sent Garnett to the Celtics. And obviously Mchale would never have sent him to the Lakers the other option he had.

 We traded a bunch of crap to get KG. He was so lucky to knoe Mchale. Big Al was the only good piece in that deal. Is there anyone here saying that Danny is a great GM if that trade never happened.

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If the trade didn't happen, Danny would have made a different trade.  Perhaps he makes a trade for Pau Gasol.  There was pretty much no way that he was going to let Ratliff's deal expire without getting anything back.

As an aside, based upon the returns other teams have gotten for star players, is it really so hard to believe that Big Al + cap relief + picks was the best deal on the table?  I've never understood the "McHale gave us KG to help his buddy out" angle.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 02:44:09 PM »

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If the trade didn't happen, Danny would have made a different trade.  Perhaps he makes a trade for Pau Gasol.  There was pretty much no way that he was going to let Ratliff's deal expire without getting anything back.

yup Gasol would have been the main target

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Who knows?

Maybe if he didn't make the KG trade, he would have made another move that lifted the team up.

I think Danny has shown the patience, understanding of the cap, and ability to think outside the box, that it takes to make a good GM.  But like with any GM, you need a little luck.  Whether it is a bounce of the pingpong balls, or whether it is having a superstar come on the market, when you have the pieces to make the deal happen.

Also, to suggest Big Al was the only good piece in that deal is incorrect.  Ratliff's contract was absolutely crucial to making that deal happen, and they also had a number of draft picks to include to sweeten it, and even guys like Gomes and Green had enough value at that point to make it happen. 

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 02:54:45 PM »

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 OK great, lets say we get Gasol. Does Ray Allen want to play with Gasol? Doubtful.

 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions.

 Bottom line extremely doubtful we win a championship in the Ainge Era without the Garnett trade. And Danny is no more that an above average GM.

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If the trade didn't happen, Danny would have made a different trade.  Perhaps he makes a trade for Pau Gasol.  There was pretty much no way that he was going to let Ratliff's deal expire without getting anything back.

As an aside, based upon the returns other teams have gotten for star players, is it really so hard to believe that Big Al + cap relief + picks was the best deal on the table?  I've never understood the "McHale gave us KG to help his buddy out" angle.
I really think we'd have gotten Gasol instead.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 03:12:15 PM »

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 OK great, lets say we get Gasol. Does Ray Allen want to play with Gasol? Doubtful.

 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions.

 Bottom line extremely doubtful we win a championship in the Ainge Era without the Garnett trade. And Danny is no more that an above average GM.

And Danny's relationship with certain agents delivered him Posey, and has greased the skids of other deals.  Then there are the stories of no one accepting Kahn's calls, because all of the other GMs thinks he's a (well, something I won't say on this site).

Like you said, its part of the business, so why is it being held against him, that he uses his personal connections as a competitive advantage?

You can play that what if game all you want, but when it comes down to it, Danny DID trade for Kevin Garnett.  Danny DID turn a team at the bottom of the lottery to a championship team.  Danny DID get that team back to a second Finals, and another ECF.

That's what happened.  What's the point of talking about what ifs, other than to just manufacture reasons to bash a guy who has had a lot of success doing his job?

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 OK great, lets say we get Gasol. Does Ray Allen want to play with Gasol? Doubtful.

 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions.

 Bottom line extremely doubtful we win a championship in the Ainge Era without the Garnett trade. And Danny is no more that an above average GM.

Why wouldnt Ray want to play with Gasol? Gasol is one of the leagues best big men (off year this year yes) but was playing very good basketball at the time. He is also a great passer. And if we didnt get KG I bet he was our prime target. There was no way we werent going to make a trade for a third superstar at that time.

Would we have had a different team absolutely. A championship? Who knows. But Ray was already on the team regardless of who we traded for. Why would it have been Rays decision on whom he wanted to play with?
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 OK great, lets say we get Gasol. Does Ray Allen want to play with Gasol? Doubtful.

 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions.

 Bottom line extremely doubtful we win a championship in the Ainge Era without the Garnett trade. And Danny is no more that an above average GM.

Why wouldnt Ray want to play with Gasol? Gasol is one of the leagues best big men (off year this year yes) but was playing very good basketball at the time. He is also a great passer. And if we didnt get KG I bet he was our prime target. There was no way we werent going to make a trade for a third superstar at that time.

Would we have had a different team absolutely. A championship? Who knows. But Ray was already on the team regardless of who we traded for. Why would it have been Rays decision on whom he wanted to play with?
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If the trade didn't happen, Danny would have made a different trade.  Perhaps he makes a trade for Pau Gasol.  There was pretty much no way that he was going to let Ratliff's deal expire without getting anything back.

As an aside, based upon the returns other teams have gotten for star players, is it really so hard to believe that Big Al + cap relief + picks was the best deal on the table?  I've never understood the "McHale gave us KG to help his buddy out" angle.

I totally agree. The trade was pretty fair, in my opinion. Of course [in hindsight] the Celtics ended up getting the better end of the deal, but there was certainly no guarantee that KG would still be productive today. Also, we didn't force the Wolves to give up a very productive Big Al to Utah for Kosta Koufos or to choose Flynn over Stephen Curry in the 09 draft. The other pieces had potential, but those two pieces, along with the cap relief were the main parts of the deal.

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 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions. .

True.  Because GMs only trade with their friends / former teammates.  And because so many other teams were offering young big men with near-all-star potential, and insured expiring contracts.

Danny paid value, especially in terms of a lot of the other superstar trades we've seen.

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The preferred options were

1. Draft Durant

2. Draft Horford. I read somewhere if the Celts had a chance at Horford, that Ainge would of been 50-50 to trade the pick that brought us Allen.

3. Trade for Ray Allen and KG (which happened and won us a ring)

4. Trade for Ray Allen still with the 5th pick. We would of had a lineup of Perk, Big Al, PP, Allen, Rondo that would of been interesting to watch.
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 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions. .

True.  Because GMs only trade with their friends / former teammates.  And because so many other teams were offering young big men with near-all-star potential, and insured expiring contracts.

Even if it played a role though, why does it matter?  Isn't that how business works?  Its all about favors and relationships.  That is part of the job description. 

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 If you don't think Danny's relationship with Mchale had a lot do with him coming here then your not real familiar with business transactions. .

True.  Because GMs only trade with their friends / former teammates.  And because so many other teams were offering young big men with near-all-star potential, and insured expiring contracts.

Even if it played a role though, why does it matter?  Isn't that how business works?  Its all about favors and relationships.  That is part of the job description.

If the contention is that some GMs have better working relationships than others, I obviously agree with this.  As you say, building those relationships is part of the business.

However, there's this view among some fans that the KG deal was a "wink, wink" deal, where McHale took an inferior deal from the Celtics to help out his former franchise.  I think that's nonsense.

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As others have mentioned, he would have traded for Gasol.  Danny was always about acquiring assets and trading them for veteran upgrades.

WE're in limbo right now.  Tail end of a short-lived contender and the start of a rebuild.  He's already seeking assets.

 

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