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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2012, 09:48:46 PM »

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Ben McLemore and BJ Young are two guys I really like in this class.

Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2013, 04:42:14 AM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also
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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2013, 05:06:54 AM »

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we'll probably invite hardaway jr to a workout.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2013, 10:18:55 AM »

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I think with the next three drafts we need to look for an ELITE scorer.  Paul and KG aren't going to last forever, and I don't have faith that Rondo is going to be a 20 ppg player.  Bradley, Green, and Sully (who are potentially our future core with Rajon) are more supporting scores than top scorers.

Finding a pure scorer (whether its a big, wing, or guard) is going to be a necessity

I agree. If the future is Rondo, AB, Green , and Sully then two key roles and one minor role that need to be filled. (Melo needs to show me something other than D-league still_

1. An isolation scoring SG who is 6'4+. Last draft i liked Ross for this role. I imagine a player who plays in a Ginobli like role. A 3 man rotation of Rondo, AB, and scoring 2 with size could take up all 96 guard minutes.

2. A Lengthy athletic 4/5 or 5. Hopefully Melo fills this role. If he does then the player can be more 4 than 5 if not than we really need a 5. If melo pans out as a solid starting 5. Then I would hope for a Ekpe Udoh type as our 3rd big.

3. The minor role 8th man. I would ideally like to see a 3pt specialist SF in this role.   

ideal if everyone develops as we (as Cs fans) hope.

Rondo 15 pt 5 rb 10 ass
AB    15 pt
Green 15 pt 6 rb
Sully 18 pt 9 rb
Melo  10 pt 8 rb 2.5 blk
SG    15 pt
4/5    5 pt 5 rb
SF     5 pt 3pt shooter

This might be a risky pick, we may not be able to land him anyway but if we need a scorer, the dude named LeBryan Nash is the one we should be looking for.

He can get to the basket, and has improved his mid range game. Can create shots for himself. Problem is, he takes a nap on defense sometimes.

Don't want Nash.  Like you said, he doesn't play D, but he looks like the next Terrence Williams.

He's still young and can probanly tunr it around. He has the tools to be a very good defender. And I love that he's slipping slowly.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 09:15:05 AM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 12:25:04 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 12:47:57 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.

I mean, I don't know all the best mocks, but we're presently #15, yes?

NBAdraftnet has him at #18
Draft Express has him at #18
WalterFootball (wrong sport, so take it as you will) has him at #15 to us.
I'm not an insider on ESPN, so I don't know where Chad Ford has him, but he's outside of the top 10 on his big board.

Certainly he could continue to rise as the year goes on, because he's playing spectacularly, but there is a ceiling for many NBA executives on drafting a shorter point guard who was relatively unheralded coming out of high school just two years ago.  I think he'll be a great player whereever he ends up, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted outside of the top 10.

Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2013, 01:13:54 PM »

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It ALL depends on potential trades - Rondo, Pierce, role players - and whether or not KG retires at season's end.

Depending on those outcomes, Ainge will either draft a potential SCORER (probably SF or PF) or HEIGHT.

If Pierce and KG aren't here next season, scoring will be a priority.  The free agent class is awful, so unless Ainge pulls off a trade for a scorer, he'll need to draft scoring.

If he keeps the core together, then I say he goes for more height.  Wouldn't it be great down the line to have Sully, Melo, and another big in a rotation?

Unfortunately, Ainge only has one draft pick this seasons - the first rounder. 


Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2013, 01:35:32 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.

Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2013, 01:40:55 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

Is it realistic to think we could get Trey Burke though? At this point he is universally projected to go in the top ten. Bit of a stretch to think that no lottery team would be interested int he Best PG in the draft.

I do agree that he'd be excellent here but I'd imagine that you'd have to trade Rondo to get him.

I mean, I don't know all the best mocks, but we're presently #15, yes?

NBAdraftnet has him at #18
Draft Express has him at #18
WalterFootball (wrong sport, so take it as you will) has him at #15 to us.
I'm not an insider on ESPN, so I don't know where Chad Ford has him, but he's outside of the top 10 on his big board.

Certainly he could continue to rise as the year goes on, because he's playing spectacularly, but there is a ceiling for many NBA executives on drafting a shorter point guard who was relatively unheralded coming out of high school just two years ago.  I think he'll be a great player whereever he ends up, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him drafted outside of the top 10.

Sorry about that my mistake I think I recently read a Bleacher Report "article" that had him going in the top ten. I've tried to find it since but haven't been able to.

Those are the mocks that I would use so please excuse my groundless claim, I'm kinda new to this whole posting instead of lurking thing and I have to be better about backing up my claims.

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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2013, 01:44:57 PM »

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It ALL depends on potential trades - Rondo, Pierce, role players - and whether or not KG retires at season's end.

Depending on those outcomes, Ainge will either draft a potential SCORER (probably SF or PF) or HEIGHT.

If Pierce and KG aren't here next season, scoring will be a priority.  The free agent class is awful, so unless Ainge pulls off a trade for a scorer, he'll need to draft scoring.

If he keeps the core together, then I say he goes for more height.  Wouldn't it be great down the line to have Sully, Melo, and another big in a rotation?

Unfortunately, Ainge only has one draft pick this seasons - the first rounder.

I just made a post about Kelly Olynyk who I think fit's the bill of who you'd like to draft.

He'd work great as a third rotation big with Sully and Melo, assuming his game would translate to the NBA.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2013, 02:02:14 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.

I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.
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Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2013, 02:34:49 PM »

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If he declares, don't care how we land him, we should draft Aaron Craft. Sully's teammate from Ohio

Kid plays with so much heart and defense is top notch. I mean near Bradley top notch. Now his offense isn't all that great, but he is a fine passer and can shoot the ball pretty good. Like Rondo, he does all these extra non stat things that helps his team win

We would finally have a legit 2nd unit pg also

Craft is an amazing defender, I'll give you that.  But he is not capable of NBA offense, either shooting or facilitating.

I'd much much rather have Trey Burke of Michigan, who's the best point guard in college basketball, and is Sully's high school teammate and best friend since grade school.  Because he's only 6'0" tall, he might slide down into the middle of the first round, where we're currently sitting.

You're selling Craft short there.  Sure, he won't be the greatest offensively, but he'd be a darn good backup.

I don't want Burke.  The PLAYS point only because he's too short to play the two.  I hate those hybrid SGs.

I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.

I agree that Craft's a second rounder and a backup.

With Burke, I disagree.  I know he's playing well, but I'm not buying into this hype that he'll be worth regretting.

To me, he's a mid-to-late first-rounder.  A guy his size is going to have troubles scoring unless he can develop solid-to-great three-point range.  Right now, he's shooting 38% from the college line, so I'll have to wait and see how he adjusts.

The assist totals are nice, but he's a score-first guy.  I guarantee you he's not going to be such a great passer in the NBA.  The game changes from collegiate to pro, and I don't see him maintaining this level of play.

Lastly, the Celtics shouldn't take this guy unless they plan on trading Rondo.  If we draft him, he will be our backup point, which is a role I don't think he's suited for.  That means you have to move him to the two, and bingo, he's in that undersized SG role that I hate.

I think his ceiling is a poor man's Damian Lillard.

Re: Looking ahead to 2013 draft
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2013, 03:20:14 PM »

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I'm just saying I wouldn't move heaven and earth to get Craft, because you're right, he'll be a backup.  His defense is NBA level, his offense is not.  That equals a backup.  He seems like someone who will be a 4-year college player and then a late 2nd round pick.

But as for Burke, I don't really think you watch him play all that much if you think he's a two who plays the point.   He's a point guard who can shoot.  He averages over 7 assists per game, and fewer than 2 turnovers.  He's not some lead-guard, hybrid-guard, combo-guard or whatever you want to call it.  He's a point guard who can score.  He runs the offense and tries to figure out who's got the hot hand and get him the ball.  If he realizes that he's the hot hand, like in the first half vs. West Virginia last month, he's not afraid to score.  But if his teammates are knocking them down, he facilitates, like in the first half vs. NC State, when he had 9 assists and no points (on 1 or 2 shots.  I forget.)

I'm not saying Burke is infallible, and Aaron Craft is certainly Trey Burke kryptonite, but there's a reason that he's now at the head of the pack for major awards.  If the Celtics pick at #15, and he's available, they'd regret not taking him.

I agree that Craft's a second rounder and a backup.

With Burke, I disagree.  I know he's playing well, but I'm not buying into this hype that he'll be worth regretting.

To me, he's a mid-to-late first-rounder.  A guy his size is going to have troubles scoring unless he can develop solid-to-great three-point range.  Right now, he's shooting 38% from the college line, so I'll have to wait and see how he adjusts.

The assist totals are nice, but he's a score-first guy.  I guarantee you he's not going to be such a great passer in the NBA.  The game changes from collegiate to pro, and I don't see him maintaining this level of play.

Lastly, the Celtics shouldn't take this guy unless they plan on trading Rondo.  If we draft him, he will be our backup point, which is a role I don't think he's suited for.  That means you have to move him to the two, and bingo, he's in that undersized SG role that I hate.

I think his ceiling is a poor man's Damian Lillard.

He shoots the three well enough, when you consider that most of his threes will come unassisted, as he's the point guard, compared with most shooters who get to shoot off a pass.  His assist-to-turnover ratio is fifth nationally, despite being a pretty high usage player against some of the best competition.  He can pass.  Michael Carter-Williams, who is projected to go above him in every mock draft and has the reputation of being the best passing point guard out there, turns the ball over twice as much.  Burke can handle the rock as well as anyone.  It's also no accident that Burke is second in the nation in +/-.

I don't really know what a poor man's Damian Lillard is, because that's a rookie playing at an All-Star level.  Normally one makes the poor man comparisons with someone who has a known career trajectory, or at least a known peak.  I think Burke has a Chris Paul ceiling.  Ceiling doesn't mean he'll get there, obviously, but I will be disappointed if he doesn't make an all-star team or two at least.  (Mind you, I also think Lillard has a similar ceiling.)

If you think that DA should take a point guard in the draft (and maybe you don't -- the original person who brought up Craft obviously did) then clearly he should take Burke if available.  I am also of the mindset that a PG to backup Rondo, especially with Rajon's contract ending in 2015, would be a good decision.

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