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Would you accept this trade? (Rondo + filler for Kyrie/Varejao)
« on: December 25, 2012, 09:53:12 PM »

Offline syfy9

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Rajon Rondo and (insert Bass + Lee, Sully, etc.) for Kyrie Irving and Anderson Varejao.



I would, but I'm 95% sure the Cavs won't.
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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 09:54:29 PM »

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No, Rondo is a rare talent and a true celtic. Unless you get a Lebron or Durant you don't trade him.

Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 09:59:26 PM »

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Hmmm, yeah probably.

Kyrie is a great shooter and Varajeo is a beast on the boards.

I am also fairly certain Cleveland doesn't trade Irving, however.

Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 10:00:01 PM »

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Nope.

Now normally trading a 26 year old allstar point guard for 20 future allstar point guard is the right thing to do, buttttttttttt I'm a Rondo honk.

What Irving is doing at 20 yrs old is pretty amazing though.

Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 10:07:00 PM »

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I think Franchise > Franchise Player in this case. 

If the difference between Rondo and Irving is +10, then adding Varejao would make that value sink down to -100. -105 if you don't like Lee/Bass.


At this point, I wouldn't trade Rondo for Irving straight up, but I Varejao makes it too enticing to refuse.

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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 10:09:56 PM »

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Yep. I'd feel bad about it, I've become a Rondo believer, but this is better for the Celtics long term, and I don't think it even kills our odds this season, although it would have to happen sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 10:11:46 PM »

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I think Franchise > Franchise Player in this case. 

If the difference between Rondo and Irving is +10, then adding Varejao would make that value sink down to -100. -105 if you don't like Lee/Bass.


At this point, I wouldn't trade Rondo for Irving straight up, but I Varejao makes it too enticing to refuse.

That's a pretty arbitrary numbering system, and one that I quite disagree with. There is no way that Varejao adds 10 times what Rondo brings over Irving.
- Rondo is much better than Irving, at least at this point in their respective careers.
- I think you are over-valuing Varejao. Especially when we could get someone to do what he does without giving up Rondo. See Omer Asik on the Rockets.

Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 10:15:55 PM »

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I agree that people are overvaluing Irving and Varejao. There is no doubt that they are very good, but their stats are inflated from playing on such a poor team.

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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 10:24:36 PM »

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I agree that people are overvaluing Irving and Varejao. There is no doubt that they are very good, but their stats are inflated from playing on such a poor team.

I think that's true with Varejao to a degree, but not Irving. Varejao is inflated because on a very good team, he shouldn't get more than 10-12 ppg, but he should still be a just below elite rebounder and defender.

It's hard to inflate Irving's value. Uncle Drew is 21 (or is it 22?) years old, and already the 2nd or 3rd best scoring point guardin the league. CP3 is ahead of him, then...?

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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2012, 10:25:46 PM »

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Yes, without hesitation.

Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2012, 11:17:55 PM »

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Drew is a stud and id love him but i dunno, maybe i just have an emotional attachment to rondo because he is my favorite player. 50/50 on it.

Id love to see a Mcgee/Kanter/Favours type come in for the celtics.

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2012, 11:28:09 PM »

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I think Franchise > Franchise Player in this case. 

If the difference between Rondo and Irving is +10, then adding Varejao would make that value sink down to -100. -105 if you don't like Lee/Bass.


At this point, I wouldn't trade Rondo for Irving straight up, but I Varejao makes it too enticing to refuse.

That's a pretty arbitrary numbering system, and one that I quite disagree with. There is no way that Varejao adds 10 times what Rondo brings over Irving.
- Rondo is much better than Irving, at least at this point in their respective careers.
- I think you are over-valuing Varejao. Especially when we could get someone to do what he does without giving up Rondo. See Omer Asik on the Rockets.

I don't mean literally those numbers, but I was making a point that Varejao is a very good player. I'm probably overvaluing him, but there is no question that he is a competent, pure center, something the Celtics would love to get. He is one of, if not the, quickest centers in the NBA and will be great in our defensive system. And also, unlike Asik, he's not a liability on offense, but an asset.


Rondo is not MUCH better than Irving the same way that Rondo is not MUCH better than Derrick Rose.

Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA, but Irving is in that highest echelon along with Chris Paul, etc (at least this season). He's in that elite class this season, and the youngest prodigy of them all. So much potential.



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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2012, 11:31:12 PM »

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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2012, 11:37:07 PM »

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I agree that people are overvaluing Irving and Varejao. There is no doubt that they are very good, but their stats are inflated from playing on such a poor team.

If the Celtics get Varejao, He is going to play hard on defense, on the boards, and will thrive playing off of KG. He'd become a role player that is near perfect for the Celtics system, and wouldn't be expected to do anything more.

Irving would still average 15-20 ppg this season if he was on the Celtics. His assists would escalate; coming out of college, experts were comparing him to Chris Paul for his outstanding court vision. Having Hall of Fame players around him that can make difficult jumpers would help him a lot (sound like somebody?). Think a Rondo that's always in scoring mode.

And all of that at the age of 20. Imagine how he'd be in his prime?
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Re: Would you accept this trade?
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 01:23:16 AM »

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