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Al Jefferson trade Idea
« on: December 25, 2012, 02:58:12 PM »

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To Boston: Al Jefferson
To Cleveland: Jared Sullinger, Courtney Lee, two firsts
To Utah: Brendan Bass, Anderson Varejao

This is from my blog, the explanation is there. http://pickandpopdiaries.blogspot.com/2012/12/northwest-division-round-up-made-up.html

Let me know what you think of this trade. My only question would be if it is enough for Cleveland to move Varejao, I think the two firsts would help that.

With the Celtics going with the idea of playing KG to start at the four we are in need of a better center to play there. Jefferson is in the last year of his deal and said earlier this year that he wouldn't mind coming back.

It would allow Collins to come off the bench so that we always have a defense oriented big on the floor.
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Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 03:01:49 PM »

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Cleveland has no interest in Sully, dating back to the draft. They wouldn't give up Varejao for that return. Also Utah doesn't want bigs, they are trying to get rid of them.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 03:02:09 PM »

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really? after a solid win?

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 03:02:16 PM »

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You would want Big Al over Varejao? Why?

I would think that the interior defense from Varejao would be more important than the post scoring from Big Al for this Celtics team.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 03:07:16 PM »

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In a word, no.

No Al No D.

Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 03:08:17 PM »

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You would want Big Al over Varejao? Why?

I would think that the interior defense from Varejao would be more important than the post scoring from Big Al for this Celtics team.

To me Jefferson is probably more attainable. When I made up the trade it was from the perspective of how to make Utah better.

I probably would prefer Varejao, you're right.

What would you give up for Jefferson?
What would you giveu up for Varejao?
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Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 03:11:28 PM »

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I'd give up a lot for either I think.

As long as I can keep RR/KG/PP/AB I'm willing to part with pretty much everyone. I'd also like to keep JET if we can.

I really don't know who I'd like more, but probably Varejao. He's cheaper and signed for longer. Jefferson is a guy we could give up assets for and end up renting.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 03:14:08 PM »

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In a word, no.

No Al No D.

Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.
Jefferson is not the best defender but is he really worse than Sullinger is now? Bass never had the reputation as a good defender until last year by playing with KG. I think Jefferson could block shots on the back end and rebound the ball to close out possessions.

You wouldn't trade for him at all? Regardless of the package?
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Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 03:17:27 PM »

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I'd give up a lot for either I think.

As long as I can keep RR/KG/PP/AB I'm willing to part with pretty much everyone. I'd also like to keep JET if we can.

I really don't know who I'd like more, but probably Varejao. He's cheaper and signed for longer. Jefferson is a guy we could give up assets for and end up renting.
I think if Jefferson came back here there is no way that he leaves again. He loves Boston and that was from even before we started winning.
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Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2012, 03:17:57 PM »

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You would want Big Al over Varejao? Why?

I would think that the interior defense from Varejao would be more important than the post scoring from Big Al for this Celtics team.

To me Jefferson is probably more attainable. When I made up the trade it was from the perspective of how to make Utah better.

I probably would prefer Varejao, you're right.

What would you give up for Jefferson?
What would you giveu up for Varejao?
Unless Cleveland has a hankering for some Jeff Green, I don't think Varejao is an attainable target.

I don't think Big Al is attainable in a straight trade. The C's don't matchup well in terms of contracts. It would take a three team deal. If that were possible ... I wouldn't trade Bradley. Either Green + filler. Or filler + picks/prospects.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2012, 03:29:02 PM »

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No Way

Rather have Sully any day and twice on Sunday... Jefferson  ???  Naw ...gee why ???

Maybe for Milsap , definelty not Al Jefferson ..he can stay somewhere else not on the Celtics, once was enough.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2012, 03:42:09 PM »

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No Way

Rather have Sully any day and twice on Sunday... Jefferson  ???  Naw ...gee why ???

Maybe for Milsap , definelty not Al Jefferson ..he can stay somewhere else not on the Celtics, once was enough.
Really? 19.2 points 9.6 boards and 1.7 blocks last year doesn't do anything for you. He's grown as a player since he was in Boston.

Defensively he gives up 103 points per 100 possessions, which is good for second on his team. This gives him the same rating in this metric as Rajon Rondo. The problem with that stat is the players around him. Rondo plays with better defenders which helps improve his defensive rating. On the other hand Jefferson's teammates have the opposite effect.
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Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2012, 04:00:49 PM »

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All the lack of floor spread that we lost in Ray Allen would be there with AJ.  He demands a double team down low.   We could play inside out and actually go inside on some teams.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2012, 04:12:12 PM »

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No Way

Rather have Sully any day and twice on Sunday... Jefferson  ???  Naw ...gee why ???

Maybe for Milsap , definelty not Al Jefferson ..he can stay somewhere else not on the Celtics, once was enough.
Really? 19.2 points 9.6 boards and 1.7 blocks last year doesn't do anything for you. He's grown as a player since he was in Boston.

Defensively he gives up 103 points per 100 possessions, which is good for second on his team. This gives him the same rating in this metric as Rajon Rondo. The problem with that stat is the players around him. Rondo plays with better defenders which helps improve his defensive rating. On the other hand Jefferson's teammates have the opposite effect.
That sabremetric is meaningless.

Jefferson cannot defend well enough to play on a championship Celtics team. The fascination with his one-dimensional game on this board escapes me.

No, no, no to Al Jefferson. Forever.

Re: Al Jefferson trade Idea
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2012, 05:06:09 PM »

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I think he would be an upgrade over Wilcox and Collins.

 

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