relja
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 10:09:05 AM » |
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There's limit when trading several players for 1 or 2 excellent ones and this is just too much.
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2012, 08:34:37 AM » |
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I have been thinking about this idea after initially thinking it was impossible but kinda coming around on it. KLove publicly talking about being unhappy in Minny has been the main reason for the change.
The three team scenario is the most interesting:
BOS gets K Love L Ridnour or JJ Barea
CLE gets: Derrick Williams Chase Budinger Fab Melo first round pick (Cs)
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Anderson Varejao Jared Sullinger first round pick (Cs) cash
after the trade the Cs are
Rondo/Ridnour Bradley/Terry/Barbosa Pierce/? KLove/Bass KG/Collins
We'd be pretty thin off the bench in the paint and on the wing (too bad no Pietrus) but our starting five would be right there with any in the league...plus it would be nice having a back up point that is actually a PG.
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2012, 08:43:05 AM » |
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets: KLove Derrick Williams Ridnour
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Brandon Bass Jared Sullinger 2 first round picks cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2012, 08:59:38 AM » |
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets: KLove Derrick Williams Ridnour
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Brandon Bass Jared Sullinger 2 first round picks cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
why would minny trade a top 20 player for bench players with long term contracts and a few draft picks in the 20's?
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celticslove
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 09:40:31 AM » |
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this is not nba 2k13. we don't have any chance pulling this kind of trade unless rondo is included in the package.
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jambr380
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 10:53:23 AM » |
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 10:59:46 AM » |
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Dream trade (he's my fav non Celtic) , but it an't happening , at least by normal trades. Something wierd would need to happen.
It will them wanting to give Love up (for some reason) , either he tells them I'm definelty not returning , I hate you , he pulls several COusins stunts....
It then would take either Rondo possibly or extra PUSH from their side via LOve himself /Owner to ever make this trasspire. I can't see why they would trade Love for Rondo , unless we gave them WAY to many addtional young prospects. Not sure DA would do that. I wouldn't and I'm a huge LOVE fan.
I look for Love to go to Lakers, or Dallas eventually.
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 12:38:02 PM » |
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
Not really a good comparison. LBJ was a free agent, and Cleveland wanted to get something in return. D12 only has one year left on his deal and he could've walked for nothing. They had leverage. Kevin Love is in the first year of a 4 year extension he chose to sign. They have no reason to trade him for the next 3 yrs.
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In close games, Celtics fans are an emotional mess: "We want Rondo to shoot, we don't want him to shoot, we don't know what the hell we want." - Bill Simmons --- Some here blame Rondo for unemployment and global warming I swear.
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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 12:57:21 PM » |
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets: KLove Derrick Williams Ridnour
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Brandon Bass Jared Sullinger 2 first round picks cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2012, 01:47:49 PM » |
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets: KLove Derrick Williams Ridnour
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Brandon Bass Jared Sullinger 2 first round picks cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
I don't agree. I think we are finding in the current NBA climate that some players can instigate trades that might not have otherwise happened. And the best players (all star players) on each team are not necessarily involved. Think about CP3, Deron Williams, Melo, and DHoward - all top tier players acquired for arguably smaller packages than the ones mentioned here for KLove...
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2012, 01:52:53 PM » |
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I tend to agree somewhat with the OP, and I appreciate his disclaimer to begin that it isn't necessarily actual knowledge. Everyone coming on here and saying it is 'impossible' just hasn't seen how trades for superstars work in recent times and Love is nowhere near Lebron / Howard level, where the Cavs and Magic got very little in return.
If Adelman has legitimate interest in Green, Lee, and Sullinger, I think that provides the framework for a deal. I have said it in other threads, those players aren't horrible as others seem to perceive them to be. They are starting caliber players on market value contracts. I don't particularly want to throw in Bradley and Melo for the fun of it, but if other assets were involved, then I could listen.
I just don't think anybody is qualified to say that there is 'no chance' of this happening, especially if Love isn't happy and [also] especially since Love is apparently totally overrated.
Not really a good comparison. LBJ was a free agent, and Cleveland wanted to get something in return. D12 only has one year left on his deal and he could've walked for nothing. They had leverage. Kevin Love is in the first year of a 4 year extension he chose to sign. They have no reason to trade him for the next 3 yrs.
They do if he is letting people know that he isn't happy...I mean, he mentions it once and the franchise is in an uproar...Don't you think other franchises look at the debacle in ORL and want to avoid that if they can...especially if there is a deal on the table that is somewhat appealing to them?
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Paul Pierce
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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2012, 02:12:51 PM » |
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Kevin Mchale is not the Minny GM so I am pessimistic about this happening.
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Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated. I just try to grind this out one possession at a time
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jambr380
Paul Pierce
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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2012, 02:15:20 PM » |
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the other idea I guess is to deal directly with MIN:
BOS gets: KLove Derrick Williams Ridnour
MIN gets: Jeff Green Courtney Lee Brandon Bass Jared Sullinger 2 first round picks cash
That puts a lot of pressure on Derrick Williams to perform right away however. Plus we'd be desperately in need of bigs off the bench (Ryan Hollins?)
People have to understand we're not getting Minesotta's best player without giving up our best player. And no-one has adequately explained yet why the Wolves need Rondo.
I don't agree. I think we are finding in the current NBA climate that some players can instigate trades that might not have otherwise happened. And the best players (all star players) on each team are not necessarily involved. Think about CP3, Deron Williams, Melo, and DHoward - all top tier players acquired for arguably smaller packages than the ones mentioned here for KLove...
Thank you for saying what I was trying to say, but in a much clearer way. TP.
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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2012, 03:30:05 PM » |
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Love has years left on his contract -- and zero leverage. Also, I find the idea that he'll force a trade to Boston humorous (also, expect half a dozen of teams to be able to put better packaged than anything headlined by Jeff Green -- which is the main reason why you can't get Love for spare parts).
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gpap
Paul Pierce
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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2012, 04:01:26 PM » |
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Call me crazy, but if Danny offers a package of Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sullinger and Melo (plus a couple future picks) for Love, Rubio and maybe Ridnour, Minny MIGHT consider it.
Again, key word is MIGHT. As for the Celtics side, I know we all love Rondo, but that's something I would have to say yes to.
Regardless, I am sure all this talk is just a pipe dream. Merry Christmas!
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