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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2012, 09:51:27 AM »

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Martin was garbage for the Clippers last year. Be patient and see who else becomes available. I remember a few years ago we jumped the gun and signed Mikki Moore. A few days later Drew Gooden was bought out and played with the Spurs.

Gooden is no Karl Malone but he was far superior to Mikki Moore.

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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2012, 09:51:53 AM »

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I think this has less to do with moving KG to PF as it does with having someone else who actually plays defense on the court.  If they had a defensive oriented PF, they would have gladly kept KG at center, but clearly Doc was fed up with the softness of the other big men defensively.

Kenyon Martin!

From 2002!

Seriously, I think Martin would be great if he could still play, I am just not so convinced he still can play.  We already have one washed up defensive specialist.  I am not sure the solution is another one.

I'm not sure if anyone who suggests K Mart saw him play last year.

Awful.




And none of them can protect the rim at 6'8" or block a shot, which is coincidentally the only part of defense that KG doesn't do.

KG doesn't block a lot of shots anymore but he sure as hell protects the rim.

Clippers don't win a playoff series last year without Kenyon Martin.

Maybe.  Doesn't mean he was good either.  He wasn't.


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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2012, 09:55:33 AM »

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I don't understand how so many people rate Kenyon Martin so poorly.

The man is clearly still in really good physical shape. He has good quickness and mobility. He still has explosive leaping ability. He has physical and mental toughness. He has defensive smarts. He is still one of the better defensive players in the league at the PF position. This is a guy who can help a team.

We have no big man outside of KG that comes close to Kenyon's defensive ability.

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2012, 09:59:39 AM »

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I don't understand how so many people rate Kenyon Martin so poorly.

The man is clearly still in really good physical shape. He has good quickness and mobility.

He is still one of the better defensive players in the league at the PF position.

I really don't know if we watched the same player.


I've repeated myself a lot here, but Chris Andersen is the best big man option out there in the open.


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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2012, 10:01:48 AM »

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I don't understand how so many people rate Kenyon Martin so poorly.

The man is clearly still in really good physical shape. He has good quickness and mobility. He still has explosive leaping ability. He has physical and mental toughness. He has defensive smarts. He is still one of the better defensive players in the league at the PF position. This is a guy who can help a team.

We have no big man outside of KG that comes close to Kenyon's defensive ability.


His offense is gone.


He is an average rebounder.



There is a reason he is still on the street while a guy out of the league is now playing. 


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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2012, 10:04:53 AM »

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another reason that kenyon martin is washed out... the clippers signed ryan hollins over him.lol

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2012, 10:07:32 AM »

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I don't understand how so many people rate Kenyon Martin so poorly.

The man is clearly still in really good physical shape. He has good quickness and mobility. He still has explosive leaping ability. He has physical and mental toughness. He has defensive smarts. He is still one of the better defensive players in the league at the PF position. This is a guy who can help a team.

We have no big man outside of KG that comes close to Kenyon's defensive ability.


His offense is gone.


He is an average rebounder.



There is a reason he is still on the street while a guy out of the league is now playing.

There are bad reasons. Not good reasons. Why Kenyon isn't on a team.

He could help someone.

His offense is the exact same it's been for several years now. Dodgy scoring, limited jumper, good passing. Kenyon's rebounding was bad last year but it's been bad before and he has bounced back. It is way too early to write him off because of that. Especially with him playing only half a season after spending time in China.

I would be worried if the physical talent wasn't there but it clearly still is. This isn't a guy who should be written off. It is premature.

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2012, 10:22:50 AM »

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The other concern I have with Martin is that there were reported concerns about his personality.  Now, without knowing the details, its hard to know how much stock to put into it, but I would be concerned, if the vets (KG and Pierce) are not all for bringing in Martin.  This team has been really struggling to find chemistry, and I wouldn't mess with that for a guy with very questionable abilities at this point in his career.

If the players want him, then I think its worth the risk.  But I am not sure if thats the case. 

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2012, 10:29:36 AM »

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I don't understand how so many people rate Kenyon Martin so poorly.

The man is clearly still in really good physical shape. He has good quickness and mobility. He still has explosive leaping ability. He has physical and mental toughness. He has defensive smarts. He is still one of the better defensive players in the league at the PF position. This is a guy who can help a team.

We have no big man outside of KG that comes close to Kenyon's defensive ability.


His offense is gone.


He is an average rebounder.



There is a reason he is still on the street while a guy out of the league is now playing.

There are bad reasons. Not good reasons. Why Kenyon isn't on a team.

He could help someone.

His offense is the exact same it's been for several years now. Dodgy scoring, limited jumper, good passing. Kenyon's rebounding was bad last year but it's been bad before and he has bounced back. It is way too early to write him off because of that. Especially with him playing only half a season after spending time in China.

I would be worried if the physical talent wasn't there but it clearly still is. This isn't a guy who should be written off. It is premature.

  His rebounding's fluctuated over his career but a lot of that's been due to knee issues. It's less likely his rebounding will bounce back when he's 35, and the drop in rebounding as well as the drop in scoring, career low fg% and hitting 37% of his free throws doesn't paint much of an overall picture. Again, I didn't see him play much last year (or notice his play much when I was watching the Clips) but the numbers don't look all that good.

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2012, 10:31:15 AM »

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What the hell does chris Wilcox do better than Martin?

Wilcox is a great dunker within 2 feet of the rim. Might as well have Hollins(except Hollins was better defensively and a better agitator)

"There's a reason why he's still out there' yeah a stupid reason. There's a reason why Stiemsma was a bench player for Wisconsin and a perrenial D league player as well right?

Maybe Danny doesn't want him for some reason but its not for something stupidly vague like "no one else is interested"

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2012, 10:45:57 AM »

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I don't see what holds up a Jeff Green for Okafor swap once the trade restriction expires.  It makes no sense to me for Washington to want him. 

C. Lee + J. Green + Sullinger for M. Webster + Okafor

Rondo/Terry/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Webster
KG/Bass/Wilcox
Okafor/KG/Wilcox

I love that roster.

Ariza (another guy Wash should have no interest in holding onto) would have been the perfect guy to get from them for that Posey role, but the contracts make it difficult.
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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2012, 10:47:21 AM »

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I don't see what holds up a Jeff Green for Okafor swap once the trade restriction expires.  It makes no sense to me for Washington to want him. 

C. Lee + J. Green + Sullinger for M. Webster + Okafor

Rondo/Terry/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Webster
KG/Bass/Wilcox
Okafor/KG/Wilcox

I love that roster.

Ariza (another guy Wash should have no interest in holding onto) would have been the perfect guy to get from them for that Posey role, but the contracts make it difficult.

Well, Okafor looking completely cooked would hold it up a bit. 

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2012, 10:57:35 AM »

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I don't see what holds up a Jeff Green for Okafor swap once the trade restriction expires.  It makes no sense to me for Washington to want him. 

C. Lee + J. Green + Sullinger for M. Webster + Okafor

Rondo/Terry/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Webster
KG/Bass/Wilcox
Okafor/KG/Wilcox

I love that roster.

Ariza (another guy Wash should have no interest in holding onto) would have been the perfect guy to get from them for that Posey role, but the contracts make it difficult.

Well, Okafor looking completely cooked would hold it up a bit.

Could be wrong, but I think a lot of centers would look pretty cooked on that team.  How would Perk look on that team?  How would Tyson Chandler even look on that team?  I'm not looking for the stars and moon here (we aren't getting that for Jeff Green), I'm looking for a role player - a defensive minded center.  Those aren't very easy to pry away from teams as you can see by the Cavs reported unwillingness to part with Varejao.

In limited minutes in that home game vs. washington, Okafor did very little that showed up in the box score, but played exactly how I remember him playing in New Orleans and that's exactly what I think this team needs.  I haven't seen him play much this season aside from that.
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Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2012, 11:03:52 AM »

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I don't see what holds up a Jeff Green for Okafor swap once the trade restriction expires.  It makes no sense to me for Washington to want him. 

C. Lee + J. Green + Sullinger for M. Webster + Okafor

Rondo/Terry/Barbosa
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Webster
KG/Bass/Wilcox
Okafor/KG/Wilcox

I love that roster.

Ariza (another guy Wash should have no interest in holding onto) would have been the perfect guy to get from them for that Posey role, but the contracts make it difficult.

Well, Okafor looking completely cooked would hold it up a bit.

Could be wrong, but I think a lot of centers would look pretty cooked on that team.  How would Perk look on that team?  How would Tyson Chandler even look on that team?  I'm not looking for the stars and moon here (we aren't getting that for Jeff Green), I'm looking for a role player - a defensive minded center.  Those aren't very easy to pry away from teams as you can see by the Cavs reported unwillingness to part with Varejao.


This is true, but he has looked pretty bad for a few years now.  He still puts up some numbers, but they have been getting more and more empty each year. 

He would be a guy that would be an interesting get on a cheap contract, but they would have to send out at least 2 rotation players to even match his salary, which makes it a no go in my book.  If we want a washed up, undersized center, Kenyon Martin is cheaper. 

Re: C's see light move KG back to PF
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2012, 11:08:29 AM »

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I have posted before that a trade built around Lee and Bass for Okafor would fix alot of the Cs problems. But not many reasons for Wiz to do it.

 

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