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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2012, 09:18:14 AM »

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I need to wait and see how this plays out. 

I can't be too disappointed, because I thought he did an incredible job at first, and if I am going to go against myself with hindsight, I am going to wait for REAL hindsight.  We are still relatively early in the season. 

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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2012, 09:18:38 AM »

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Outside of the Green contract, no. 


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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2012, 09:36:07 AM »

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I'm disappointed that the players we have perform way worse than their track record indicates.
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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2012, 09:38:51 AM »

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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2012, 09:39:21 AM »

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I have been saying for months I thought the entire off season was a disaster.  I didn't like any moves he made outside of drafting Sullinger since last season ended.  Sadly it appears I was correct.  Perhaps he can salvage some of it with some trades, but even then I'm not sure we have the pieces or the value to get players that will actually help this team or undo the vast majority of the moves made.

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2012, 09:40:48 AM »

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I'm disappointed that the players we have perform way worse than their track record indicates.
which ones?  Bass is shooting a bit worse, but everyone else is pretty much the player they have always been. 
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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2012, 09:44:04 AM »

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I have been saying for months I thought the entire off season was a disaster.  I didn't like any moves he made outside of drafting Sullinger since last season ended.  Sadly it appears I was correct.  Perhaps he can salvage some of it with some trades, but even then I'm not sure we have the pieces or the value to get players that will actually help this team or undo the vast majority of the moves made.

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You probably posted this elsewhere, but what would your preferred off-season have looked like?

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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2012, 09:46:49 AM »

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up until this game, Green has averaged around 13ppg the past few games.

IMO its kind of hard to dump on him when he only played 10minutes...its hard for ANY NBA player to make an impact in so few minutes.
With Green we can always take small samples to make him look better than he is.  We can't disregard games or groups of games.  And he played 20min, not 10.  I was impressed with his 1 rebound and tough defense that Doc was raving about.

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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2012, 09:51:03 AM »

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I have been saying for months I thought the entire off season was a disaster.  I didn't like any moves he made outside of drafting Sullinger since last season ended.  Sadly it appears I was correct.  Perhaps he can salvage some of it with some trades, but even then I'm not sure we have the pieces or the value to get players that will actually help this team or undo the vast majority of the moves made.

Horrid off season which has regulated Boston to mediocrity for at least the next 3 seasons.   
So far, you have a good case.  I was actually thrilled with this offseason.  We obviously needed a rugged big guy who rebounds and defends.  I wanted Reggie Evans or Birdman, but I figured Darko would play that role.

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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2012, 09:58:45 AM »

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I have been saying for months I thought the entire off season was a disaster.  I didn't like any moves he made outside of drafting Sullinger since last season ended.  Sadly it appears I was correct.  Perhaps he can salvage some of it with some trades, but even then I'm not sure we have the pieces or the value to get players that will actually help this team or undo the vast majority of the moves made.

Horrid off season which has regulated Boston to mediocrity for at least the next 3 seasons.   

You probably posted this elsewhere, but what would your preferred off-season have looked like?
Since we struck out with any big name free agents, I would have only offered 1 year contracts to our returning free agents (KG, Bass, Green) and would not have signed anyone past 1 year except for small money type deals.  I would have probably been ok with Terry or Lee, but not both (since the money in their deals isn't huge).  The team now has no cap space or wiggle room any time in the next 3 seasons and doesn't have the talent to be a true contender. 

I thought the C's would be better than they are this year, which is why I would have tried to bring everyone back on 1 year deals (plus the draft next summer is/was projected to be very weak so there was no point in tanking), with the possibility of utilizing Bradley and/or Sullinger to bring a big name in at the deadline to maybe put the team over the top (which is much easier if Jeff Green or Brandon Bass is an expiring contract).  Then even if no trades had been made Boston would have still had the flexibility next summer to be active in the free agent market, especially with Josh Smith and Dwight Howard being friends with Rondo and both being available (at least in theory).  Now Boston has no means to even pursue either in free agency (or Kevin Love the following summer) and has no real shot at trading for Josh Smith given the contracts they have on the team.  Next summer if we struck out again in free agency, then Boston could have again signed whomever they wanted to keep to 1 year deals and tried again the following summer or could have just gone into tank mode for a season or two to try and rebuild that way (since the 2014 draft appears to be much stronger).

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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2012, 10:08:08 AM »

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I think Green gets a lot of crap for his contract but I think it would be a reasonable contract for him on any other team. If he was starting and playing 30 to 35 minutes I think 9 mil a year for four years is fair. But for his role on this team it is a way over payment. Makes me wonder if Danny had financial numbers in mind for future trade bait.
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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2012, 10:09:37 AM »

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I'm disappointed that the players we have perform way worse than their track record indicates.
which ones?  Bass is shooting a bit worse, but everyone else is pretty much the player they have always been.

Well for starters Pierce is having one of his worst starts in his career. Without looking rondo deeply into it im sure the same could be said about Jason Terry as well. Let's not forget that Lee was also shooting 40% from 3 last year and is now below 30%.

Was this a serious comment?

Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2012, 10:24:24 AM »

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I'm disappointed that the players we have perform way worse than their track record indicates.
which ones?  Bass is shooting a bit worse, but everyone else is pretty much the player they have always been.

Well for starters Pierce is having one of his worst starts in his career. Without looking rondo deeply into it im sure the same could be said about Jason Terry as well. Let's not forget that Lee was also shooting 40% from 3 last year and is now below 30%.

Was this a serious comment?
Terry is actually much more efficient than he was last year (though is shooting and playing less so his totals are down a bit). 

Lee's 3PT shooting is worse, but his overall FG% is better as are pretty much all of his other numbers over the prior season. 

Pierce's FG% is lower, but his 3PT and FT% are about the same as are his totals and per minutes in virtually every other category (i.e. rebounds, assists, steals, points).

Rondo has actually improved pretty much across the board both in efficiency and totals. 

Green per 36 is essentially the same across the board. 

KG per 36 is pretty much the same as last year.


So yeah, I was serious.  Apparently you just think because the team is worse it must mean the players are performing worse, which just isn't the case. 
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Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2012, 10:40:57 AM »

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I am not at all disappointed in Danny. He put together a great off season.

Turned

Ray Allan
Greg Steimsma
Marquis Daniels
Keyon Dooling
Ryan Hollins
JJJ
E Moore

into

Jeff Green
Jason Terry
Courtney Lee
Sullinger
Barbosa
Joseph
J Collins

out of last years group the only guy who i think would improve our current rotation is Steimsma. That is even a big stretch.

The team is under performing but Danny is not to blame. He built the deepest celtics team I have seen in my life time (29).

Re: Is anyone thoroughly disappointed with danny?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2012, 10:43:11 AM »

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I am not at all disappointed in Danny. He put together a great off season.

Turned

Ray Allan
Greg Steimsma
Marquis Daniels
Keyon Dooling
Ryan Hollins
JJJ
E Moore

into

Jeff Green
Jason Terry
Courtney Lee
Sullinger
Barbosa
Joseph
J Collins

out of last years group the only guy who i think would improve our current rotation is Steimsma. That is even a big stretch.

The team is under performing but Danny is not to blame. He built the deepest celtics team I have seen in my life time (29).


Ray would improve this team.  The offense is still tailored to his strengths.  He would effectively stretch the floor.


Dooling would help this team taking PG duties when Rondo is on the bench (and probably help defensively)


Pietrus could also have helped this team.


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